Are All Angels the Same?
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Luke 1
2just as they were handed down to us by the initial eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
3Therefore, having carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.
what was wrong with what was handed down, why just hand over to Theophilus what was handed to you. Why did you find a need to investigate and write a orderly account are you saying the original was not in a orderly account. Probably a reason why the four gospels is in order like Swiss cheese
2just as they were handed down to us by the initial eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
3Therefore, having carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.
what was wrong with what was handed down, why just hand over to Theophilus what was handed to you. Why did you find a need to investigate and write a orderly account are you saying the original was not in a orderly account. Probably a reason why the four gospels is in order like Swiss cheese
Horses in the OT are symbolic of the strength of man. Look at the battles with men on horses. They don’t ride on donkeys into battle. 
You want the strongest horse.
now I’m not sure why I posted this. Lost my train of thought. Lol
You want the strongest horse.now I’m not sure why I posted this. Lost my train of thought. Lol
Are you referring to replication?
Semen has sperm that will replicate the father.
If men put their faith in horses strength in the battle rather than in God, there’s disaster. Evil replication of idolatry.
Is this hard to see?
There’s a song we used to sing..
Some trust in chariots and some in horses
but we will rely in the name of the Lord our God.
Ezekiel is a book filled with symbols.
Semen has sperm that will replicate the father.
If men put their faith in horses strength in the battle rather than in God, there’s disaster. Evil replication of idolatry.
Is this hard to see?
There’s a song we used to sing..
Some trust in chariots and some in horses
but we will rely in the name of the Lord our God.
Ezekiel is a book filled with symbols.
As to the matter of Enoch's testament, or, the Book of Enoch, Jesus and the Disciples also referred to Enoch and his writings. What authority has man to omit it from the Canon? When the Ethiopian Bible is the stand alone that still carries Enochs text, we may consider something is amiss when men elected to say, Enoch wasn't to be read by those of us in love with our Fathers word.
I think since we're speaking of man and their part in the shaping of the Canon we should consider the history of the fifty Bibles of the emperor Constantine.
It is true if we don't consider the culture, the history, that is linked with any part of scripture that we will lose the context of the message itself.
When we know that councils decided what was Apocrypha in shaping the Canon, we need to admit to ourselves that man's influence did not stop there. What a powerful ego to think one is able to decide what of Gods inspired message to the world should be received by those in the world.
And yet, God is greater than man and shall always speak to His children in ways man cannot edit, or control by council vote. Does our Father in the Old Testament sound the same as our Father as He is portrayed in the New?With consistency?
What did God do to His enemies in the Old Testament? What did he advise. (And please, none of the, oh, that was only for the Jews, nonsense). God gave His Ten Words/Ten Commands, which He reiterated in the New. Among them, thou shalt not steal. Does it ring consistent then that God would tell you that if someone steals your purse you are to give them your cloak also?
Did God love His enemies? Or did He destroy them? [Isaiah , Psalm 68 ] When God tells us He does not change, how would He change His mind in the New Testament and tell us to not only love our enemies, pray for those who do harm unto us, but to not fight back when they seek to take what is ours.
Roman conquest meeting no resistance among those who believed such things as that? When they were also led to believe the destiny of their eternal soul depended on strict obedience?
Matthew 10:34
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword."
The Book of John chapter 3:31 “He who comes from above is above all. He who is from the earth is from the earth and talks from an earthly point of view; he who comes from heaven is above all. 32 He testifies about what he has actually seen and heard, yet no one accepts what he says! 33 Whoever does accept what he says puts his seal on the fact that God is true, 34 because the one whom God sent speaks God’s words. For God does not give him the Spirit in limited degree — 35 the Father loves the Son and has put everything in his hands. 36 Whoever trusts in the Son has eternal life. But whoever disobeys the Son will not see that life but remains subject to God’s wrath.”
I think since we're speaking of man and their part in the shaping of the Canon we should consider the history of the fifty Bibles of the emperor Constantine.
It is true if we don't consider the culture, the history, that is linked with any part of scripture that we will lose the context of the message itself.
When we know that councils decided what was Apocrypha in shaping the Canon, we need to admit to ourselves that man's influence did not stop there. What a powerful ego to think one is able to decide what of Gods inspired message to the world should be received by those in the world.
And yet, God is greater than man and shall always speak to His children in ways man cannot edit, or control by council vote. Does our Father in the Old Testament sound the same as our Father as He is portrayed in the New?With consistency?
What did God do to His enemies in the Old Testament? What did he advise. (And please, none of the, oh, that was only for the Jews, nonsense). God gave His Ten Words/Ten Commands, which He reiterated in the New. Among them, thou shalt not steal. Does it ring consistent then that God would tell you that if someone steals your purse you are to give them your cloak also?
Did God love His enemies? Or did He destroy them? [Isaiah , Psalm 68 ] When God tells us He does not change, how would He change His mind in the New Testament and tell us to not only love our enemies, pray for those who do harm unto us, but to not fight back when they seek to take what is ours.
Roman conquest meeting no resistance among those who believed such things as that? When they were also led to believe the destiny of their eternal soul depended on strict obedience?
Matthew 10:34
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword."
The Book of John chapter 3:31 “He who comes from above is above all. He who is from the earth is from the earth and talks from an earthly point of view; he who comes from heaven is above all. 32 He testifies about what he has actually seen and heard, yet no one accepts what he says! 33 Whoever does accept what he says puts his seal on the fact that God is true, 34 because the one whom God sent speaks God’s words. For God does not give him the Spirit in limited degree — 35 the Father loves the Son and has put everything in his hands. 36 Whoever trusts in the Son has eternal life. But whoever disobeys the Son will not see that life but remains subject to God’s wrath.”
So the semen in the scripture is about replication, seeds from a sunflower would have been better no need for extreme visual application
Ezekiel 23:20
and lusted after their lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of stallions.
Many things could have been chosen for the representation of replication why go there
Ezekiel 23:20
and lusted after their lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of stallions.
Many things could have been chosen for the representation of replication why go there
More than likely the extreme visual comes from English translators.
Strong'sHebrewEnglishMorphology5689 [e]וַֽתַּעְגְּבָ֔ה
wat-ta‘-gə-ḇāh,And for she lustedConj-w | V-Qal-ConsecImperf-3fs | 3fs5921 [e]עַ֖ל
‘alforPrep6370 [e]פִּֽלַגְשֵׁיהֶ֑ם
pi-laḡ-šê-hem;her paramoursN-fpc | 3mp834 [e]אֲשֶׁ֤ר
’ă-šerWhosePro-r1320 [e]בְּשַׂר־
bə-śar-the fleshN-msc2543 [e]חֲמוֹרִים֙
ḥă-mō-w-rîmof donkeysN-mp1320 [e]בְּשָׂרָ֔ם
bə-śā-rām,flesh [is] [like]N-msc | 3mp2231 [e]וְזִרְמַ֥ת
wə-zir-maṯand the issueConj-w | N-fsc5483 [e]סוּסִ֖ים
sū-sîmof horsesN-mp2231 [e]זִרְמָתָֽם׃
zir-mā-ṯām.whose issue [is] [like]N-fsc | 3mp
Issue in Hebrew In has a couple of meanings.
produce, derive, issue, output, send forth, bring out
Strong'sHebrewEnglishMorphology5689 [e]וַֽתַּעְגְּבָ֔ה
wat-ta‘-gə-ḇāh,And for she lustedConj-w | V-Qal-ConsecImperf-3fs | 3fs5921 [e]עַ֖ל
‘alforPrep6370 [e]פִּֽלַגְשֵׁיהֶ֑ם
pi-laḡ-šê-hem;her paramoursN-fpc | 3mp834 [e]אֲשֶׁ֤ר
’ă-šerWhosePro-r1320 [e]בְּשַׂר־
bə-śar-the fleshN-msc2543 [e]חֲמוֹרִים֙
ḥă-mō-w-rîmof donkeysN-mp1320 [e]בְּשָׂרָ֔ם
bə-śā-rām,flesh [is] [like]N-msc | 3mp2231 [e]וְזִרְמַ֥ת
wə-zir-maṯand the issueConj-w | N-fsc5483 [e]סוּסִ֖ים
sū-sîmof horsesN-mp2231 [e]זִרְמָתָֽם׃
zir-mā-ṯām.whose issue [is] [like]N-fsc | 3mp
Issue in Hebrew In has a couple of meanings.
produce, derive, issue, output, send forth, bring out
And yet the Apocryphal (Apocrypha = hidden, secret) were included in the first printing of the 1611 KJV Bible. Placed between the Old Testament and the New and for their historicity. As was the case with many other Bibles editions as well.
Today the NSRV, the NA Bible, and the Revised Standard Version (RSV) include the Apocrypha.
Today the NSRV, the NA Bible, and the Revised Standard Version (RSV) include the Apocrypha.
