If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???

[JesusLives]

Not that you will do it or read it...But one of the best books she ever wrote was called the Desire of Ages all about the life of Christ. It is one of the best books on His life and recommended by the Library of Congress.

"The Desire of Ages" is like a harmony of the gospels. In it, Ellen G. ... Of the thousands of books in the Library of Congress on the life of Jesus, this classic by Ellen G. White is one of the most used and asked for.

I miss spoke it is not recommended but it is one of the most requested books on the life of Jesus.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

Be careful how you determine if someone is possessed with a demon. If you read the Bible they also accused Jesus of being or having a demon.... Only God really knows the persons internal intentions and beliefs and if they put God first in their life or not. Don't know if I would try and make that judgment, but then what do I know I have also been accused of the same.

By the way, I didn't judge her intentions.

She may have been a perfectly sincere lunatic. That still doesn't mean that she was a prophetess.

I am guessing, like many charismatics, she wanted to be the center of attention and the one that everyone looks to.

By the way, I perceive that many SDAs are feminists, because abortion is accepted in their ranks. Their health care facilities perform elective abortions, and the female members are able to get abortions for rape, incest, or congenital deformities including Down's Syndrome or any congenital deformity.

I believe this displays their feminist tendencies.

 

[JesusLives]

By the way, I didn't judge her intentions.

She may have been a perfectly sincere lunatic. That still doesn't mean that she was a prophetess.

I am guessing, like many charismatics, she wanted to be the center of attention and the one that everyone looks to.

By the way, I perceive that many SDAs are feminists, because abortion is accepted in their ranks. Their health care facilities perform elective abortions, and the female members are able to get abortions for rape, incest, or congenital deformities including Down's Syndrome or any congenital deformity.

I believe this displays their feminist tendencies.

It must be nice living in your perfect world where everyone but you and your beliefs is wrong possessed or a lunitic. You might want to stay indoors as you don't know what you will encounter when you leave your home.

Anyone can google all the negative things they want to find to back up their belief system and personally I don't usually engage on anything Ellen White as I believe the Bible is our book to follow not the writings of any regular people.

You might want to google if Ellen White ever professed or called herself a prophet. She was a human like you and me who got hit in the head as a girl that caused her troubles through her life. But she was a sincere christian and lead people to God and salvation as we are all requested to do.

I am sure you are perfect and never do anything that goes against what you believe. Never get angry, or anything like that a perfect model at all times and people see Jesus in everything you do. The rest of us are not living up to the perfect standard.

I don't know what they do in the health system other than try and take care of sick people and just because it might be an Adventist hospital doesn't mean every Dr. that practices there is an Adventist.

Does everyone in your church that is a female you must have it recorded that none of your women have ever had an abortion. General claims can throw a wide net and I bet some of your people close by have had one. I would venture a guess in most all denominations you would not be able to say that not one of the women had had an abortion.

Sin travels far and wide and there is sin in my heart as well as in yours... Neither of us would have to look far to see a flaw or a person without sin. Thank God for Jesus who takes away our sin.... Compassion can go a long way.

 

[JamOn]

What Isaiah 66 is saying is it will take awhile and on that journey people will see the corpses that lay on the ground.

…22“For just as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, will endure before Me,” declares the LORD, “so your descendants and your name will endure. 23From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.24“As they go forth, they will see the corpses of the men who have rebelled against Me; for their worm will never die, their fire will never be quenched, and they will be a horror to all mankind.

These are not glamorous times mentioned above before the new heavens and new earth are created where praise is in peace but praise knee deep in blood among the corpses, remember lot and what he endured will be of all mankind. is mankind strong enough to endure such horrors yet worship and praise standing in the horror.

 

[JamOn]

Job not lot my bust

 

[Blik]

See posts #4 and #34. Are you a Jew under the law? Explain to us how well you are keeping these specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that are attached with keeping the Sabbath day. Or do you simply rest and worship God on Saturday (instead of Sunday) and consider that as keeping the Sabbath day?

How many burnt offerings have you made on the Sabbath day? (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Ezekiel 46:12). Have you refrained from kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath? (Exodus 35:3). Have you remained in your place on the Sabbath? (Exodus 16:29). Have you done any trading? (Amos 8:5). What about marketing? (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19). This was commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1). According to (Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36), anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Do you enforce this?

In Exodus 35:1-2, we read - Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, "These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death... *Now show me in the New Testament where the Lord makes these commands to the Church/the body of Christ.

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. That is enough for me.

You are asking questions about my personal life, not about scripture that is none of your business, but I will answer you.

I follow what Paul tells me to do about the law and put on Christ. To do that, I follow His lead in my desires, and that lead is to be sinless. I am not able to do that but I am not concerned, I only have control of my desire and that is to be sinless. Christ takes care of the rest, I am at peace with that.

I should think you know scripture enough to know wha

See posts #4 and #34. Are you a Jew under the law? Explain to us how well you are keeping these specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that are attached with keeping the Sabbath day. Or do you simply rest and worship God on Saturday (instead of Sunday) and consider that as keeping the Sabbath day?

How many burnt offerings have you made on the Sabbath day? (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Ezekiel 46:12). Have you refrained from kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath? (Exodus 35:3). Have you remained in your place on the Sabbath? (Exodus 16:29). Have you done any trading? (Amos 8:5). What about marketing? (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19). This was commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1). According to (Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36), anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Do you enforce this?

In Exodus 35:1-2, we read - Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, "These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death... *Now show me in the New Testament where the Lord makes these commands to the Church/the body of Christ.

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day--things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. That is enough for me.

You are turning a site to discuss scripture into one to discuss personal traits, but I will try to answer anyway.

I follow Paul about keeping law, I put on Christ. Christ was sinless and I follow that with my desires. I don't have control of the sin I do so I only do what I have control of and that is of my desire.

You bring up burnt offerings, and I should think you at least know that much scripture that you have learned how what Christ did for us takes care of burnt offerings. If you don't, simply read the gospels.

You even quote scripture about judging the days we worship, and you are doing just what scripture tells you not to do: you are judging me personally about the day I choose to worship.

 

[bud62]

What if you heat your house or cook on Saturday when it's -20 below zero?

That would be a bingo.

Our blessing is in Christ.

Not in our performance at the law.

His LAWS Is HIS CHATACTER, When Moses ask to look upon HIM, JESUS give Moses His Laws to show Moses what HE was LIKE. JESUS says IF you love ME keep MY commandments, Then Another place , JESUS says If you say that you love ME and keep not MY commandments ,You are lier and the TRUTH is not in you. So if we are not keeping JESUS's commandments, The truth is not in us, And truth is JESUS. So if you are not keeping HIS commandments, JESUS IS NOT in YOU, FOR JESUS IS THE TRUTH.

 

[bud62]

Did you read what UnitedWithChrist shared with you in post #28? So if Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the sabbath day in heaven, then it also teaches we will keep the new moon festival as well. "And it shall be from new moon to new moon, and from sabbath to sabbath, all mankind will come to bow down before Me, says the Lord” - Isaiah 66:23. Let's be consistent.

If you insist on sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66:23, then you also need to observe new moons as well. Yet from what I hear, most Sabbatarian’s don’t observe new moons. hmm.. That’s inconsistent. New moons require night, hence Sabbatarians have night in heaven Isaiah 66:23. Is there night and day in heaven? NO In Revelation 21; 23; 22:5 we read there is no night in heaven. You cannot have "new moon to new moon" or "sabbath days" without day and night. Are new moons and sabbath keeping a requirement for Christians based on the New Covenant terms? NO.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Will there be Levital priests in the new heaven? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the sabbath day in the new heaven, then it also teaches in Isaiah 66:21 that the Levitical priests will be in the new heaven, because it is also mentioned. What happened to the Levitical priesthood under the new covenant terms? Priesthood changed so did the law. Hebrews 7:12 - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. *The old and new covenants do not mix.

Why are you so obsessed with the sabbath? Do you believe that keeping the sabbath day is necessary for salvation? Where do you attend church?

It dose not say that they will be keep the feast at all, You added what was NOT there, And I do NOT believe this pleases GOD at ALL, TO Add to what HE says, Just to be babing, YOU do not know what HE means when he says, that we will come and worship before HIM, AND THATS ALL WE NEED TO KNOW. What HE says Is all we need, AND HOW HE chooses TO do what HE is TALKING about is okay with ME, I just want to BE THERE,WITH HIM, PRAISE GOD,

 

[bud62]

But you can't have a fire (heat) or cook on the Sabbath unless you work the system.

Poor kid. You put the Sabbath above Christ when in fact Christ is our Sabbath. Scripture teaches us to keep our eyes focused on the Lord. That means every day.

This is not what I said,

Poor kid. You put the Sabbath above Christ when in fact Christ is our Sabbath. Scripture teaches us to keep our eyes focused on the Lord. That means every day.

Poor kid. You put the Sabbath above Christ when in fact Christ is our Sabbath. Scripture teaches us to keep our eyes focused on the Lord. That means every day.

Poor kid. You put the Sabbath above Christ when in fact Christ is our Sabbath. Scripture teaches us to keep our eyes focused on the Lord. That means every
The BIBLE dose not say that you can't have Heat, And it won't hurt us to eat a few cold meals.

 

[bud62]

Poor kid. You put the Sabbath above Christ when in fact Christ is our Sabbath. Scripture teaches us to keep our eyes focused on the Lord. That means every day.

Poor kid. You put the Sabbath above Christ when in fact Christ is our Sabbath. Scripture teaches us to keep our eyes focused on the Lord. That means every day.

Poor kid. You put the Sabbath above Christ when in fact Christ is our Sabbath. Scripture teaches us to keep our eyes focused on the Lord. That means every day.

You are fussing with what GOD says NOT me, You are Disagreeing with HIM not ME, HE is the one that said it not ME,

 

[JaumeJ]

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Please demonstrate in Holy Scripture whare our Maker blessed the first day and put it in place of the seventh day which He gave to all who will receive it as a special dya to rest with Him when we are given to be able to.
The Seventh Day is the Lord's Sabbath,. The only authority to have changed the popular belief that it is the first day was Constantine, not our Father, and our Father's authority is final.

ps. please do not come back talking about the law, I have not quoted the law nor do I need to, the Word suffices for allw ho believe without having to see...

 

[Dave-L]

This is not what I said,

The Law forbids a fire in your house (heating and cooking, lights) on Saturday when it's -20. Sabbatarians work the system to get around this.

 

[Dave-L]

His LAWS Is HIS CHATACTER, When Moses ask to look upon HIM, JESUS give Moses His Laws to show Moses what HE was LIKE. JESUS says IF you love ME keep MY commandments, Then Another place , JESUS says If you say that you love ME and keep not MY commandments ,You are lier and the TRUTH is not in you. So if we are not keeping JESUS's commandments, The truth is not in us, And truth is JESUS. So if you are not keeping HIS commandments, JESUS IS NOT in YOU, FOR JESUS IS THE TRUTH.

The TCs were for wicked unbelievers. God had to threaten them with death forcing them to act good, because they weren't. Good people (believers) do not need law. They live it.

 

[mailmandan]

It dose not say that they will be keep the feast at all, You added what was NOT there, And I do NOT believe this pleases GOD at ALL, TO Add to what HE says, Just to be babing, YOU do not know what HE means when he says, that we will come and worship before HIM, AND THATS ALL WE NEED TO KNOW. What HE says Is all we need, AND HOW HE chooses TO do what HE is TALKING about is okay with ME, I just want to BE THERE,WITH HIM, PRAISE GOD,

I can see that what I shared with you in post #55 just went right over your head. You still have not answered my questions: Why are you so obsessed with the sabbath? Do you believe that keeping the sabbath day is necessary for salvation? Where do you attend church?

 

[mailmandan]

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Please demonstrate in Holy Scripture whare our Maker blessed the first day and put it in place of the seventh day which He gave to all who will receive it as a special dya to rest with Him when we are given to be able to. The Seventh Day is the Lord's Sabbath. The only authority to have changed the popular belief that it is the first day was Constantine, not our Father, and our Father's authority is final.

ps. please do not come back talking about the law, I have not quoted the law nor do I need to, the Word suffices for allw ho believe without having to see...

Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. If every man from Adam to Moses kept the sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly sabbath not found in the book of Genesis? Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the sabbath before Moses? *Nowhere in scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.*

The word "sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning. So sabbath keeping (with all it's rules and regulations) was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

It's a dangerous snare for the Christian Church to fail to recognize that Jesus Christ was the substance that fulfilled the symbol of the sabbath (Colossians 2:16-17). It’s not the day that is more important; rather, it’s what you’re recognizing as important on that day. The sabbath was a shadow of the things that were to come, the reality, says Paul in Colossians is found in Jesus Christ, who is our perpetual (sabbatismos) rest (Hebrews 4:9) in contrast to keeping the weekly sabbath under the law.

 

[Dave-L]

Although God's rest on the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. If every man from Adam to Moses kept the sabbath, why is the Hebrew word for the weekly sabbath not found in the book of Genesis? Why is no one before Moses ever being told to keep the sabbath? Why are there no examples of anyone keeping the sabbath before Moses? *Nowhere in scripture is there any hint that sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.*

The word "sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23 - Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning. So sabbath keeping (with all it's rules and regulations) was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

It's a dangerous snare for the Christian Church to fail to recognize that Jesus Christ was the substance that fulfilled the symbol of the sabbath (Colossians 2:16-17). It’s not the day that is more important; rather, it’s what you’re recognizing as important on that day. The sabbath was a shadow of the things that were to come, the reality, says Paul in Colossians is found in Jesus Christ, who is our perpetual (sabbatismos) rest (Hebrews 4:9) in contrast to keeping the weekly sabbath under the law.

No Ten Commandments before sinai

““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3)

 

[bud62]

The TCs were for wicked unbelievers. God had to threaten them with death forcing them to act good, because they weren't. Good people (believers) do not need law. They live it.

The BIBLE says that Abraham Kept HIS Commandments & laws, SO yes the commandments was before Sinai. Abraham was about , 400 years before Moses, God told Cain that sin lieth at the door, Which means they had the commandments, You haft to have LAWS before you can sin. You say that they was not Good, JESUS SAYS that we are not GOOD ether, GOD bless as HE sees fit. None is good but the FATHER

 

[Dave-L]

The BIBLE says that Abraham Kept HIS Commandments & laws, SO yes the commandments was before Sinai. Abraham was about , 400 years before Moses, God told Cain that sin lieth at the door, Which means they had the commandments, You haft to have LAWS before you can sin. You say that they was not Good, JESUS SAYS that we are not GOOD ether, GOD bless as HE sees fit. None is good but the FATHER

No Ten Commandments before sinai

““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3)

What Laws did Abraham keep according to direct quotes from scripture defining them?

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

It must be nice living in your perfect world where everyone but you and your beliefs is wrong possessed or a lunitic. You might want to stay indoors as you don't know what you will encounter when you leave your home.

No, I realize that people can also be wrong. However, Ellen G. White was a false prophetess, and I believe her injury explains some of the reason. Part of the reason relates to the desire of humans to think that they are closer to God than anyone else, and that they understand the Bible better than anyone else, and that they are more spiritual than anyone else. That is also the allure of charismatics in general.

Anyone can google all the negative things they want to find to back up their belief system and personally I don't usually engage on anything Ellen White as I believe the Bible is our book to follow not the writings of any regular people.

Good. I don't understand why you are protecting her then. Are you a Seventh Day Adventist?

You might want to google if Ellen White ever professed or called herself a prophet. She was a human like you and me who got hit in the head as a girl that caused her troubles through her life. But she was a sincere christian and lead people to God and salvation as we are all requested to do.

If she encouraged them to be a Judaizer, she was damning them. Read Galatians. By the way, I don't believe Herbert Armstrong is in heaven if he scoffed at imputed righteousness and taught against it, and never repented. Ancient Israel was not saved by their works, either.

I am sure you are perfect and never do anything that goes against what you believe. Never get angry, or anything like that a perfect model at all times and people see Jesus in everything you do. The rest of us are not living up to the perfect standard.

This is irrelevant. I'm talking about Ellen G. White, not me. I don't deny that I have sin issues, and that I need the righteousness of Christ. No Reformed person is unaware of that.

I don't know what they do in the health system other than try and take care of sick people and just because it might be an Adventist hospital doesn't mean every Dr. that practices there is an Adventist.

The SDA church itself allows the abortion of children of church members, if they have a congenital deformity such as Down's Syndrome. I have verified this with SDA pastors. There was one here, gotime, who seemed to be a decent guy humanly speaking. He told me directly that it is between the woman and her doctor. He knows the SDA organization allows abortion of children with Down's Syndrome and other congenital deformities. And, they provide elective abortions in the SDA facilities. My understanding is that an abortion doctor, who made his fortune doing abortion, has funded buildings on SDA campuses.

Now, do you think any conservative evangelical church would take blood money in order to build on campuses?

By the way, this can't be blamed on Ellen G. White because she wouldn't have supported their abortion policy, I don't think.

Does everyone in your church that is a female you must have it recorded that none of your women have ever had an abortion. General claims can throw a wide net and I bet some of your people close by have had one. I would venture a guess in most all denominations you would not be able to say that not one of the women had had an abortion.

The women who have had abortions agree that it is a sin. In fact, my sister had an abortion but became a Christian later. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether the SDA organization officially supports abortions for non-life threatening reasons.

Sin travels far and wide and there is sin in my heart as well as in yours... Neither of us would have to look far to see a flaw or a person without sin. Thank God for Jesus who takes away our sin.... Compassion can go a long way.

See above.

Compassion does not include blindly ignoring sin and declaring acts of sin such as abortion in non-life threatening circumstances to be acceptable.

By the way, I would refer folks to the Proclamation! magazine written by ex SDAs for verification of the problems with Ellen G. White's teachings and the teachings of modern SDAs. I read it as an ex Sabbatarian, although I was never associated with the SDAs.

They will verify that the issues regarding abortion are factual. But, you don't even have to read their magazine. You can find SDAS THEMSELVES who are disgusted by their church's position on abortion and the incidences of abortions in SDA facilities. One guy that I remember stated that he won't witness to Roman Catholics anymore about the Sabbath because the obvious defense is that they abort babies, which is much more immoral in his belief system than Sabbathbreaking. Therefore he stopped evangelizing Roman Catholics.

And, by the way, if this person is a Seventh Day Adventist, she isn't owning her church's position on Christians in general. The SDA church teaches that it is the true church, and that other churches are false organizations. In fact, if they don't quit breaking the Sabbath once the Sunday laws are enacted, they will be under the Mark of the Beast. And, they believe in essence that Sunday observing Christians are sinning when they meet on Sunday instead.

As a Sabbatarian, I didn't even think Sunday observes were saved, period, and I believed they were false, deceived followers of Satan.


http://www.lifeassuranceministries.org/proclamation/2014/2/abortioninadvent.html

Here's the article on abortion within Adventism

 

[JaumeJ]

The BIBLE says that Abraham Kept HIS Commandments & laws, SO yes the commandments was before Sinai. Abraham was about , 400 years before Moses, God told Cain that sin lieth at the door, Which means they had the commandments, You haft to have LAWS before you can sin. You say that they was not Good, JESUS SAYS that we are not GOOD ether, GOD bless as HE sees fit. None is good but the FATHER

Although I do believe Abraham was considered righteous and obedient because of his believing God in faith, we must keep in mind he was alive long before the law was given.

I do believe the statues, laws and commandments ere always around but taught by oral tradidtion from Adam to Noah and from Noah to Moses. Because of oral tradition, I do believe Abraham did obey the law, however he obeyed according to the Gospel given him before any other received it. So he obeyed the ways of God applying jkustice, mercy and faith……….as taught by our lord, jesus, Yeshua.