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To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen!
(Jude 1:25)
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; He is the Messiah, the Lord.
(Luke 2:11)
It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the glory of kings to search it out.
(Proverbs 25:2)
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looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,[Titus 2:13]
Then back up...
Paul, a bond-servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness, in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago, but at the proper time manifested, even His word, in the proclamation with which I was entrusted according to the commandment of God our Savior, To Titus, my true child in a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.[Titus 1:1-4]
Paul, writing by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, in both place called the Christ both God andSavior. To say otherwise is calling God a liar, as the bible explicitly states the Christ is God.
Thanks @posthuman for this thread. 👍❤️🏆
Then back up...
Paul, a bond-servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness, in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago, but at the proper time manifested, even His word, in the proclamation with which I was entrusted according to the commandment of God our Savior, To Titus, my true child in a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.[Titus 1:1-4]
Paul, writing by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, in both place called the Christ both God andSavior. To say otherwise is calling God a liar, as the bible explicitly states the Christ is God.
Thanks @posthuman for this thread. 👍❤️🏆
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For starters, I am strictly monotheistic. One meaning One.
Secondly, do you know how much of a contradiction that statement above you made? The Son is not The Father, but the Father is God and Christ is God? In the New Testament, who is the Son? Jesus. WHo is the Messiah? Jesus. So you saying The Son is not the Father is like saying The Christ is not the Father, but at the same time you are saying CHrist is God and The Father is God. THis whole statement is a contradiction.
I tried to make things simple, but I was kidding myself, now I will be blunt. It is clearly obvious that the questions I have asked are too difficult to answer. So I will make it as clear as day.
The only true God is The Father, as Jesus made that perfectly clear in John 17.3. That is why I never got a direct answer to my question.
In acts 2.22, you see the reference "Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God", in Matt 21:11 we see a clear reference that Jesus is a prophet.
In the garden of Gethsemane, who did Jesus pray to?
Mark 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
So who did Jesus Christ pray to? Did he pray to himself or did he pray to his God?
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
How can Christ be God when clearly based on the above verse the Son does not know the day and hour concerned? You cannot be All Knowing and not knowing at the same time. It is not possible.
Secondly, do you know how much of a contradiction that statement above you made? The Son is not The Father, but the Father is God and Christ is God? In the New Testament, who is the Son? Jesus. WHo is the Messiah? Jesus. So you saying The Son is not the Father is like saying The Christ is not the Father, but at the same time you are saying CHrist is God and The Father is God. THis whole statement is a contradiction.
I tried to make things simple, but I was kidding myself, now I will be blunt. It is clearly obvious that the questions I have asked are too difficult to answer. So I will make it as clear as day.
The only true God is The Father, as Jesus made that perfectly clear in John 17.3. That is why I never got a direct answer to my question.
In acts 2.22, you see the reference "Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God", in Matt 21:11 we see a clear reference that Jesus is a prophet.
In the garden of Gethsemane, who did Jesus pray to?
Mark 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
So who did Jesus Christ pray to? Did he pray to himself or did he pray to his God?
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
How can Christ be God when clearly based on the above verse the Son does not know the day and hour concerned? You cannot be All Knowing and not knowing at the same time. It is not possible.
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It's what scripture says.
There are at least 50 pages in this thread - aside from the sidetracking - 50 pages of scriptural evidence here that Jesus Christ is God.
You know there is only one God and that He is called the Father.
So don't ignore all of this word that the Father testifies to you. It doesn't have to be simple to be true - you ought to expect it to not be simple, you ought to expect it to be incomprehensibly profound. Mind blowing. It is the eternal God we're talking about, you really think our vain little minds can contain the breadth of the understanding of Him?
Christ is God. Fact.
The Father is God. Fact.
There is only one God. Fact.
Sort it out, don't reject it because it is wonderful
There are at least 50 pages in this thread - aside from the sidetracking - 50 pages of scriptural evidence here that Jesus Christ is God.
You know there is only one God and that He is called the Father.
So don't ignore all of this word that the Father testifies to you. It doesn't have to be simple to be true - you ought to expect it to not be simple, you ought to expect it to be incomprehensibly profound. Mind blowing. It is the eternal God we're talking about, you really think our vain little minds can contain the breadth of the understanding of Him?
Christ is God. Fact.
The Father is God. Fact.
There is only one God. Fact.
Sort it out, don't reject it because it is wonderful
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lets totally ignore the rest of scripture which says otherwise, just because Jesus made one comment
God is not a name it is a group
God (plural) created the heavens and the earth
God is relational, can you I again an eternal being who is relational being by himself for billions upon billions of years before he decides to creat man and angels, if God could die, that would be the cause,
The father is that, the one whom has authority Ie, in charge
the son is the doer, the creator, the sustainer, the savior
the HS is the empowered the teacher and the comforter
it all makes sense if we just open up to see
lets totally ignore the rest of scripture which says otherwise, just because Jesus made one comment
God is not a name it is a group
God (plural) created the heavens and the earth
God is relational, can you I again an eternal being who is relational being by himself for billions upon billions of years before he decides to creat man and angels, if God could die, that would be the cause,
The father is that, the one whom has authority Ie, in charge
the son is the doer, the creator, the sustainer, the savior
the HS is the empowered the teacher and the comforter
it all makes sense if we just open up to see
The Christ did not lay aside His divinity my friend. He is God cloaked in flesh. But He knew Lazarus died being two days away. He healed a man’s child who was a day away from Him. He knew ppl’s thoughts.
In His “emptying” Himself, He didn’t empty(lay aside) His divinity.
From got questions...
”It is better to think of Christ’s “emptying” of Himself as a laying aside of the privileges that were His in heaven. Rather than stay on His throne in heaven, Jesus “made himself nothing” (as the NIV translates Philippians 2:7). When He came to earth, “he gave up his divine privileges” (NLT). He veiled His glory, and He chose to occupy the position of a slave.”
https://www.gotquestions.org/kenosis.html
In His “emptying” Himself, He didn’t empty(lay aside) His divinity.
From got questions...
”It is better to think of Christ’s “emptying” of Himself as a laying aside of the privileges that were His in heaven. Rather than stay on His throne in heaven, Jesus “made himself nothing” (as the NIV translates Philippians 2:7). When He came to earth, “he gave up his divine privileges” (NLT). He veiled His glory, and He chose to occupy the position of a slave.”
https://www.gotquestions.org/kenosis.html
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If Jesus did not lay aside his divinity he would not need the Hs to teach him, or the father to do the miracles the father did.
jesus prayed to the father, the father raised the dead.
divinity also can not sin, nor can it die
if Jesus could not sin, he could never be tempted, if he could not die, the cross never happened.
jesus prayed to the father, the father raised the dead.
divinity also can not sin, nor can it die
if Jesus could not sin, he could never be tempted, if he could not die, the cross never happened.
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It is not enough to say Jesus is God because of this verse and that verse, but tell us why He is God.
To me, God creates by becoming the created which means before the fall, the universe (Heaven and Earth) was God Himself, and after the fall, there's a separation and again Christ reconciles everything back to God.
The difference between Christ and us is that Jesus is not part of the fallen (separated) world, He is pure creation of God which means God became Him (Jesus) just like in the beginning, God became everything else.
Acts 2:22Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know.
To me, God creates by becoming the created which means before the fall, the universe (Heaven and Earth) was God Himself, and after the fall, there's a separation and again Christ reconciles everything back to God.
The difference between Christ and us is that Jesus is not part of the fallen (separated) world, He is pure creation of God which means God became Him (Jesus) just like in the beginning, God became everything else.
Acts 2:22Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know.
The divinity was not of the Son of man any more than it was of us. Jesus did the will of the unseen father.
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
No power is attributed to the flesh nothing. Jesus said it profits not.
The Son of man, Jesus like us had the treasure of the power of the father in working in him as the unseen glory of God but it was not of the flesh typified as sinful . A body that was corrupt was needed to do what the letter of the law could not do. Forgive sin in the corrupted flesh. The work of two working together in perfect harmony and submission as one God.
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
No power is attributed to the flesh nothing. Jesus said it profits not.
The Son of man, Jesus like us had the treasure of the power of the father in working in him as the unseen glory of God but it was not of the flesh typified as sinful . A body that was corrupt was needed to do what the letter of the law could not do. Forgive sin in the corrupted flesh. The work of two working together in perfect harmony and submission as one God.
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