Christ is God

Jerzy · Feb 8, 2020

The Father did all the miracles, wonders and signs through Jesus Ac 2:22.

Jesus was begotten "this day" and became or was called the Son.

Jesus always says what he receives from the Father. He always gives glory to the Father for the works God did through him.

This is a pattern and foundation.

Trying to bend texts like Isa 9:6 or use manipulated ones to support man-made contradicting theology is improper.

Therefore, I am sorry but am not going to continue disproving a clearly false theology.

Jerzy · Feb 8, 2020

Dino246 said:

People posting here know verses or are able to look up the texts I only point to, to avoid long posts.

Anyone can look-up those few verses i posted on page 55 post 1091. There is my evidence, Dino.

Dino246 · Feb 8, 2020

Jerzy said:

Blah blah blah. You're avoiding dealing with the truth of my post.

bojack · Feb 8, 2020

Jerzy said:

Jesus son of David is the tabernacle in flesh .. Jesus Son of God is God in that flesh .. Same one God only one name
9 Notwithstanding thou shalt not build the house; but thy son which shall come forth out of thy loins, he shall build the house for my name.
10 The LORD therefore hath performed his word that he hath spoken: for I am risen up in the room of David my father, and am set on the throne of Israel, as the LORD promised, and have built the house for the name of the LORD God of Israel.
11 And in it have I put the ark, wherein is the covenant of the LORD, that he made with the children of Israel.

Jerzy · Feb 8, 2020

Dino246 said:

Just look at Jn 10:23-36. There is very clear Jewish accusation and Jesus' reply.

Your argument is of a similar nature. Jesus has never made himself equal with his God. Jesus has never claimed to be God. At the end the Jews sent him to death. Do you reckon that their accusations proof that he was guilty? If so would he qualify for the sacrificial Lamb?

Nope.

Therefore, attempting to prove heresy supposedly based by the Bible is erroneous.

Anyway, God would have stated clearly in such important matter. Instead He stated to the contrary.

Contradicting His Word has dare consequences. The promise of eternal life is based on knowledge of the Father the Only true God (Jn 17:3). Paul states that for us there is one God the Father (1Cor 8:6).

But not God's Word but the man-made theology is followed.

Does anyone know that Catholics murdered in the most barbaric ways estimated 50-100 millions of Bible adherent Christians in order to make their theologies followed?

So continue "proving" that not God's Word but man-made theologies are holy.

God bless.

Jerzy · Feb 8, 2020

bojack said:

Jesus son of David is the tabernacle in flesh .. Jesus Son of God is God in that flesh .. Same one God only one name
9 Notwithstanding thou shalt not build the house; but thy son which shall come forth out of thy loins, he shall build the house for my name.
10 The LORD therefore hath performed his word that he hath spoken: for I am risen up in the room of David my father, and am set on the throne of Israel, as the LORD promised, and have built the house for the name of the LORD God of Israel.
11 And in it have I put the ark, wherein is the covenant of the LORD, that he made with the children of Israel.

I am risen up in the house of David. Compare with 2Sam 7:12

bojack · Feb 8, 2020

Jerzy said:

Did you ever answer if you believe there is an eternal conscious hell ?

Dino246 · Feb 8, 2020

Jerzy said:

Jesus refuted their reasoning, not their statement. Now go back and deal with John 8:58.

posthuman · Feb 8, 2020

There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse,
And a Branch shall grow out of his roots.
The Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him,
The Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
The Spirit of counsel and might,
The Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord.

His delight is in the fear of the Lord,
And He shall not judge by the sight of His eyes,
Nor decide by the hearing of His ears;
But with righteousness He shall judge the poor,
And decide with equity for the meek of the earth;
He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth,
And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked.
Righteousness shall be the belt of His loins,
And faithfulness the belt of His waist.
(Isaiah 1:1-4)

clearly THE BRANCH is Jesus Christ, the Messiah, risen out of the line of David.
John the baptist testifies of this, saying he saw the Spirit rest upon Him ((John 1:32)) - signifying who He is.
again Christ says, "I AM the True Vine" ((John 15:1)) - invoking the ineffable name, the Tetragrammaton, identifying God as both Vinedresser and Vine, Father and Son.

"Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord,
“That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness;
A King shall reign and prosper,
And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.
In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell safely;
Now this is His name by which He will be called:

THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS."

(Jeremiah 23:5-6)

the name of THE BRANCH is THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS

the Messiah is here literally called YHVH, our righteousness

here again:

of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us
wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption
(1 Corinthians 1:30)

the LORD is our righteousness.
Christ is our righteousness.
Christ is the LORD, our righteousness

this isn't monism; God is One; there is only one God. but I AM THAT I AM has clearly revealed Himself both in the person of the Father and of the Son. it is not simple -- to know Him is for the wise, even as He Himself is wisdom from God Himself.

Jerzy · Feb 8, 2020

[/QUOTE]posthuman post 1249.
God is One; there is only one God. but I AM THAT I AM has clearly revealed Himself both in the person of the Father and of the Son. [/QUOTE]

The Father revealed Himself by wonders, miracles and signs through Jesus. See Ac 2:22

bojack · Feb 8, 2020

posthuman post 1249.
God is One; there is only one God. but I AM THAT I AM has clearly revealed Himself both in the person of the Father and of the Son. [/QUOTE]

The Father revealed Himself by wonders, miracles and signs through Jesus. See Ac 2:22[/QUOTE]
Jerzy, What is His name

posthuman · Feb 8, 2020

Jerzy said:

the Son makes known the Father, yes

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son,

who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.

(John 1:18 bsb)

only the Son reveals the Father ((Matthew 11:27, Luke 10:22)) and no one knows the Son but the Father.
no one comes to the Son unless the Father draws Him and no one comes to the Father except through the Son. John 6

God, and God alone, is to be worshiped, and the Son is worshipped and the Father is worshipped.
He is I AM. He came in the flesh, a marvelous thing, a great mystery hidden for ages from the wise and even from the angels: God is One, there is only one God and no other before Him nor ever after Him, and the Father is God, and the Son is God, and they are one.

God is not 'simple' -- don't anthropomorphize Him. you have about 55 pages of proof of the divinity of Christ in this thread that you're rejecting/ignoring. that He is the Son is no kind of disproof; scripture isn't set against scripture.

if you want to preach against the divinity of Christ start your own thread about it. if you think anyone in this thread is denying the distinct personhood of the Father and the Son you haven't comprehended anything in this thread you have read.

i'm not going to engage you in arguing about your heresy. that's not what i started this thread for. i mean for it to be a repository of evidence not a fruitless back-and-forth argument. if you make another thread about what you believe, i'll be happy to talk to you there. we can argue and fuss and everything. obviously you can post whatever you like wherever you like, and i don't for a moment wish to impinge on that; i'm just telling you why i'm not entertaining your hijacking of this particular thread with your unbelief.

Blik · Feb 8, 2020

When people say, in speaking of the ways of God, that "Christ didn't tell us that", then if Christ didn't say it they discard it. They will say God is One. They say God created the world. They read such scriptures as Christ telling that if we know Moses we know Him, and still they say it. Christ and the Father are one.

So if you read such instructions as not mixing fibers, Sabbath, or the feasts and you don't understand it, well deal with it. Christ was there when God so instructed the Hebrews. Don't toss it off saying Christ is a separate God.

Alertandawake · Feb 9, 2020

Jerzy said:

And this is what so many people refuse to acknowledge. For some reason, those who are for the trinity and accept the trinity refuse to accept the direct and clear statement as made by Jesus according to the verse John 17.3.

WHen read in context from verse John 17.1-17.3, Jesus is clearly referring to The Father as the Only True God. The word "only" is very specific here. Now for Jesus to admit The Father is the Only True God, that means there is no one else. Why for many people is this so difficult to understand? It is a clear and direct statement. There is no room for misinterpretation.

SO how can Jesus, The Messiah be God when he admitted The Father is the Only True God?

Secondly, the word Christ? What do people understand of this word? The world itself means "Anointed" or "Anointed One".

Let us use reason, now in order for someone to be "anointed" there has to be someone else in a position of authority to do the anointing, to choose said someone to do a specific task.

posthuman · Feb 9, 2020

Dino246 said:

Jesus very plainly and very clearly claims to be God in this passage:

Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch. Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. I and My Father are One.”

Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”

The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

(John 10:22-33)

the Jews - even in unbelief, even with darkened understanding, even with the person of Christ being hidden from them, comprehended immediately and with clarity that Jesus was declaring Himself God. they tried to kill Him for it. when He gave His life on the cross for us, it was for this same very charge that they handed Him over to Pilate to be crucified: for claiming to be God. the Jews did not believe Him, so they considered it blasphemy.

@Jerzy anyone who denies the deity of Christ is in exactly the same way accusing Him of blasphemy. you need to deal with that, lest you die in your sins.

posthuman · Feb 9, 2020

Blik said:

amen!

all drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

(1 Corinthians 10:4)

they have forsaken Me The Fountain of living waters

(Jeremiah 2:13)

If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’

you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.

(John 4:10)

Christ in John 4 claims to be able to give living water. The Gate.
YHVH in Jeremiah 2 claims to be the source of living water.
Christ in 1 Cor. 10 is called the source of living water.

God is One, and His name, One -- the same who gave a law to the rebellious people He rescued from Egypt, offers grace
all of that law testifies of Him. if a person doesn't see Him in it, they ought to deal with it: find Him!

Alertandawake · Feb 10, 2020

posthuman said:

Explain this statement.

Which God alone is to be worshipped?

Who is the only true God according to Jesus?

1Cor 15:28 (KJV) And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

So who does the Son become subject to? Who does the Son become obedient to?

BY your logic above, if you say the Father is God, the Son is God, and God is often referred to as The Supreme Being in the English language, in this context, then how can God be subject to another? How can God have a God?

posthuman · Feb 10, 2020

Alertandawake said:

Start here.
Jesus was worshipped. He did not rebuke those who worshipped Him.
It is a fact.

Take this knowledge with you to your other questions.

Alertandawake · Feb 10, 2020

posthuman said:

And Jesus also admitted he has a God as mentioned in John 20.17. I make it simple, did Jesus admit he has a God? Yes or No.

I find it so disturbing that for so many arguments that are in support of this trinity concept, but at the same time refuse to admit who the only true God is according to Jesus, as mentioned in John 17.3.

So I ask again, who alone did Jesus acknowledge as the only true God? I make it simple, Did Jesus make it clear that "The Father" is the only true God? Yes or No. It is a simple question.

posthuman · Feb 11, 2020

Alertandawake said:

congratulations on refuting modalism in support of trinitarianism

Christ is God
the Father is God
the Spirit is God

the Son is not the Father; the Father & Son are one and the same; there is no other God.

Christ is God

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