Why does God oppose Judaizing?

[Dino246]

There are many here, not that many thank God, that claim Christ and accuse other Christians of being Judaizers due to our knowledge of the scriptures.

Arrogant delusion! You are not called Judaizers "because you know the Scriptures," but rather, because you preach that Christians are still under the Levitical law... like the Judaizers of the NT era did.

 

[Blik]

things to consider when reviewing the OT laws and the New Covenant represented by the blood shed by Jesus on the cross:

Question: "Do Christians have to obey the Old Testament law?"

Answer: The key to understanding the relationship between the Christian and the Law is knowing that the Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel, not to Christians. Some of the laws were to reveal to the Israelites how to obey and please God (the Ten Commandments, for example). Some of the laws were to show the Israelites how to worship God and atone for sin (the sacrificial system). Some of the laws were intended to make the Israelites distinct from other nations (the food and clothing rules). None of the Old Testament law is binding on Christians today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23–25; Ephesians 2:15).

In place of the Old Testament law, Christians are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39). If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us: “All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:40). Now, this does not mean the Old Testament law is irrelevant today. Many of the commands in the Old Testament law fall into the categories of “loving God” and “loving your neighbor.” The Old Testament law can be a good guidepost for knowing how to love God and knowing what goes into loving your neighbor. At the same time, to say that the Old Testament law applies to Christians today is incorrect. The Old Testament law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some of it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it.

“This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3). The Ten Commandments were essentially a summary of the entire Old Testament law. Nine of the Ten Commandments are clearly repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day). Obviously, if we are loving God, we will not be worshipping false gods or bowing down before idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we will not be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them. The purpose of the Old Testament law is to convict people of our inability to keep the law and point us to our need for Jesus Christ as Savior (Romans 7:7-9; Galatians 3:24). The Old Testament law was never intended by God to be the universal law for all people for all of time. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we obey those two commands faithfully, we will be upholding all that God requires of us.
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notice, as I previously pointed out to those who think the law is no longer required, that the commandments given by Jesus actually SUMS up the law in the OT

while this is true, believers in Christ do not depend on the law for salvation

scripture is plain that no one can perfectly keep ANY law and that is the reason Jesus died in the first place

it is obvious some do not understand this and just as obvious that some believe Jesus meant other than what is actually plainly written

I would tend to think much of that is attributable to people thinking they do not need teachers other than the Holy Spirit or that they somehow can interpret manuscripts that actual authorities on the original languages cannot always agree upon

is it any use to remind some here that if you think you are a teacher, you actually have more to answer for and that scripture states that not many should refer to themselves as a teacher because of that very fact?

We think of the law of Moses as including the laws that God gave on stone tablets saying that the spiritual law does not include these. That is not what the writers of what the holy spirit told them to write meant by their words. In the time around the time Christ lived as a man the people spoke of that Law of Moses as those laws that judaizers still believe are valid. The ten commandments are ways to live a life of love, and God is love. They cannot be cancelled as love can't be cancelled and God can't be cancelled.

 

[Whispered]

Isaiah 49: 6 he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth."

Deut. 4: 5 “Surely I have taught you statutes and judgments, just as the Lord my God commanded me, that you should act according to them in the land which you go to possess. 6 Therefore be careful to observe them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the peoples who will hear all these statutes, and say, ‘Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.’

Well done.
Abraham was also a reference to a nation, not just a person."Abraham" in Hebrew means, "father of a multitude".
"In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him."

 

[JamOn]

Isaiah 49: 6 he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth."

Deut. 4: 5 “Surely I have taught you statutes and judgments, just as the Lord my God commanded me, that you should act according to them in the land which you go to possess. 6 Therefore be careful to observe them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the peoples who will hear all these statutes, and say, ‘Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.’

So it appears there isn’t any scripture that says God created all other races before the Hebrew race if there is such a thing as Hebrew race

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Jesus was born into a Jewish family, His Disciples/Apostles were Jews. God's word tells us, Salvation is of the Jews.
There are many here, not that many thank God, that claim Christ and accuse other Christians of being Judaizers due to our knowledge of the scriptures. Likely due to Replacement Theology clouding the vision of those who accuse.
The idea that Salvation is for the Gentiles now and all things pertaining to the Hebrews are done away.

Let me help you with lowering your concern about getting past that in those dedicated thus. You won't!
They believe as ardently as Christians do, that they are right. They do not put together the context of scripture, the flow of Christ's ministry wherein He came to save the whole world. The Book of John chapter 3 and particularly verse 16. He said He came for the lost sheep of the "House of Israel". What isn't often discussed, and not among those who accuse fellow Christians of being Judaizers because we know the scriptures, is that Gentiles are of the house of Israel!
Scripture is eternal truth of God.

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The Book of Genesis chapter 18:18:18 inasmuch as Avraham is sure to become a great and strong nation, and all the nations of the earth will be blessed by him? 19 For I have made myself known to him, so that he will give orders to his children and to his household after him to keep the way of Adonai and to do what is right and just, so that Adonai may bring about for Avraham what he has promised him.”​

Genesis chapter 22:18: "and by your descendants all the nations of the earth will be blessed — because you obeyed my order (voice).”​

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Genesis 26:4: " I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky, I will give all these lands to your descendants, and by your descendants all the nations of the earth will bless themselves. "​

God did not send Jesus into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world. The world! All people. Salvation is of the Jews. They are not a four letter word!
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so you prefer to continue in your ad hominim attacks rather than discuss the actual op

There are many here, not that many thank God, that claim Christ and accuse other Christians of being Judaizers due to our knowledge of the scriptures.

well it seems you also lack knowledge with regards to what people here believe

most Christians here will agree with the fact we are no longer judged by the law. they will agree that Christ fulfilled the law and by so doing, by offering Himself as the final sacrifice (the Lamb of God as John referred to Him), there is no further sacrifice which means the law has served its purpose as but a shadow of things to come...referencing believers and not the unsaved as Paul was writing to believers

at some length, I already explained that we do obey the law in that we do not kill, commit adultery etc, if we follow Christ. now He also said that the summation of the law was in the 2 new commandments that He gave...and they contained the word love...not human love, but the love prescribed by God in His commandments given to Moses

what you consider your so called superior knowledge of the word, is actually your error driven Catholicism and unfortunate belief that the law is something added to salvation when it is not

again, your preference is personal attack...ad hominim attack....rather than discussing the scripture(s) in question

the proof of what I say regarding salvation has been provided in previous posts just today and again, YOUR preference is to have a personal confrontation

salvation is through Jesus Christ and the Jews refused their Messiah and cursed themselves in so doing

for someone who claims to be so knowledgeable with the word, why is it you insist on saying we are saved through the Jews when the Jews refused their salvation?

there is neither time nor space to review the entire OT which it seems you are conflating with the New and this is not a teaching platform anyway.

it is really small of you to continue saying we are against Jews when at any time anyone can review my posts and others and confirm that we are actually FOR the Jews and Israel. there are multiples of threads that will illustrate what I say is true

so you continue in your paraphrases and false accusations and desire to win by actual personal confrontation

I have nothing to win. I believe Jesus died for me and all others on this planet but only those who accept Him are His

I don't know how a person could win more than what I already have in Christ

do you always try to manipulate those around you or is that something you reserve for posts where you remain anonymous and thereby assure yourself that your reputation is still good

sadly though, you claim to represent Christ when in fact you may be saved, but your doctrine is very skewed and shadowed over with Catholic superstition and outright heresy

this thread is not about you or me. it is about the error of Judaizing but the op does not even know what that is or what purpose the letter to the Galatians was about

and as for this:

The idea that Salvation is for the Gentiles now and all things pertaining to the Hebrews are done away.

you might as well say 'watch me pull a rabbit out of my own dogma' if you think you can pin that on me

there are those that may believe that, but again, I have hundreds of posts to my credit that deny any substance to your claims

and as for the scripture? you have nothing? not surprised

 

[Blik]

So it appears there isn’t any scripture that says God created all other races before the Hebrew race if there is such a thing as Hebrew race

Before the Hebrew race was created we consider all people gentiles. Actually that word includes people who are not of the Hebrew race.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

We think of the law of Moses as including the laws that God gave on stone tablets saying that the spiritual law does not include these. That is not what the writers of what the holy spirit told them to write meant by their words. In the time around the time Christ lived as a man the people spoke of that Law of Moses as those laws that judaizers still believe are valid. The ten commandments are ways to live a life of love, and God is love. They cannot be cancelled as love can't be cancelled and God can't be cancelled.

for some reason, the Bible does not contain your thoughts on the law

 

[JamOn]

Before the Hebrew race was created we consider all people gentiles. Actually that word includes people who are not of the Hebrew race.

Scripture doesn’t support your idea of a Hebrew race created after all other races, God created the human race

 

[gb9]

for some reason, the Bible does not contain your thoughts on the law

blik has admitted in the past that she uses " other sources " than the Bible.

based on her messed-up theology, I think it goes beyond a lexicon ...

 

[7seasrekeyed]

blik has admitted in the past that she uses " other sources " than the Bible.

based on her messed-up theology, I think it goes beyond a lexicon ...

well that's fine...but use credible sources

who knows

 

[Blik]

for some reason, the Bible does not contain your thoughts on the law

Well, it sure isn't that the thoughts came from my own mind, I'm not that smart. If yours are different, then where did you get yours?

 

[Blik]

Scripture doesn’t support your idea of a Hebrew race created after all other races, God created the human race

In my bible Abraham was designated as the first Hebrew. How was the Hebrew race created in your bible?

 

[JamOn]

In my bible Abraham was designated as the first Hebrew. How was the Hebrew race created in your bible?

Well I think your trying to place Hebrew people outside of Adam and Eve, there is genealogy that explains where Hebrew people came from just like any other human. There was no new race of people/humans created after Adam and Eve

 

[Blik]

blik has admitted in the past that she uses " other sources " than the Bible.

based on her messed-up theology, I think it goes beyond a lexicon ...

I study ancient history, being very careful that it comes from a reliable source. It is part of my bible study. Language, even, changes over the centuries as we see from reading Shakespeare from only 500 years ago. If you refuse to learn the history of biblical people you don't understand what they say, maybe that is your trouble.

Bible is the most reliable source for anything of the world, it was created by the God who created it and knows it best. Any study needs to be only to support learning of our God and the dimension He lives in. Supplemental study is not as a source, scripture is the only source, but to help clear up what scripture is saying.

Are you saying I am not reliable because I support my bible study with history? If so you have bats in your belfrey.

 

[Blik]

Well I think your trying to place Hebrew people outside of Adam and Eve, there is genealogy that explains where Hebrew people came from just like any other human. There was no new race of people/humans created after Adam and Eve

Duh! Heavens to Betsy! I'm accused of many strange things but this takes the cake.

 

[JamOn]

Duh! Heavens to Betsy! I'm accused of many strange things but this takes the cake.

I’m trying to understand you in saying God created a different race of people after all other races. Makes zero sense. sorry but that is what it seems you are implying.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Scripture doesn’t support your idea of a Hebrew race created after all other races. God created the human race

That's correct. There is only one race -- the human race -- but many ethnic groups. The Hebrews were descendants of Heber or Eber, one of Abraham's ancestors. Since they are also descendants of Shem (one of Noah's sons) they are also Semitic. The primary reason for the existence of the Hebrews and the Israelites was that Jesus of Nazareth would be from the tribe of Judah and the line of David. We can trace the descent of Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews as follows:

ADAM--SETH-LAMECH-NOAH-SHEM- EBER-
ABRAHAM-ISAAC-JACOB-JUDAH-DAVID-SOLOMON-JESUS

 

[gb9]

I study ancient history, being very careful that it comes from a reliable source. It is part of my bible study. Language, even, changes over the centuries as we see from reading Shakespeare from only 500 years ago. If you refuse to learn the history of biblical people you don't understand what they say, maybe that is your trouble.

Bible is the most reliable source for anything of the world, it was created by the God who created it and knows it best. Any study needs to be only to support learning of our God and the dimension He lives in. Supplemental study is not as a source, scripture is the only source, but to help clear up what scripture is saying.

Are you saying I am not reliable because I support my bible study with history? If so you have bats in your belfrey.

well, your " reliable sources " have led to a place where you think that the Law is divided into parts , and that one has to keep the jewish Sabbath to be saved.

your sources lie.

 

[Blik]

I’m trying to understand you in saying God created a different race of people after all other races. Makes zero sense. sorry but that is what it seems you are implying.

In the city of Ur gentiles were living. God told one gentile, Abraham, that from him would be a race of people called Hebrews and he would be given a country belonging to Hebrews.

well, your " reliable sources " have led to a place where you think that the Law is divided into parts , and that one has to keep the jewish Sabbath to be saved.

your sources lie.

Take it up with scripture, Yale, and Harvard. Those are my sources.

And speaking of lying, I have NEVER said that you must keep the Sabbath to be saved, you have manufactured that out of whole cloth. I have said that the Lord blessed the last day of the week as scripture tells us. Do you deny that?

Are you purposely spreading lies? Your spreading any of this salvation comes from Sabbath keeping is spreading lies about
God, too, pretty serious.

 

[gb9]

In the city of Ur gentiles were living. God told one gentile, Abraham, that from him would be a race of people called Hebrews and he would be given a country belonging to Hebrews.
Take it up with scripture, Yale, and Harvard. Those are my sources.

And speaking of lying, I have NEVER said that you must keep the Sabbath to be saved, you have manufactured that out of whole cloth. I have said that the Lord blessed the last day of the week as scripture tells us. Do you deny that?

Are you purposely spreading lies? Your spreading any of this salvation comes from Sabbath keeping is spreading lies about
God, too, pretty serious.

all right, so let's use deductive reasoning - if Sabbath keeping is not tied to salvation, then it would be a choice for one to keep the Sabbath, as in twilight fri-sat, or not.

or one could choose to keep the Lord's day. ( sunday, the day Christ rose , as per Scripture, not per the romans).

yes or no?.