Why does God oppose Judaizing?

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I would ask that you rephrase. I don't quite know what you're saying and particularly with respect to the second part. The Lord is against any obedience to Him....? This is the problem with broad brush strokes when thinking to speak for "everyone", or, "most of you". You have no idea what the many feel so it is best to keep your remarks directed to the person to whom you are addressing.
In that regard, you have me wrong. We do not celebrate Easter.


Now, I'm really confused. I actually think your entire post is meant for someone else. None of what you've said makes sense to me. I clarified about the Easter matter because that is just my view.
Thanks.
it's really funny the way you switch back and forth with playing the victim to hitting people over the head

and you are not confused

not even a bit :LOL:
 
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You directly contradict Scripture here. Deuteronomy plainly states, "the blood is the life"; you plainly say, "Blood is not the life."

Perhaps you should stop inventing symbolic meanings for everything and start paying attention to the plain text.
Perhaps you might start offering scriptures as to the source of your ideas or new innovations ?

You have not proved any symbolic meanings I have offered is not used to find the unseen understanding. Its what literalist do just ignore the clear understanding coming from the symbolic meanings which without Christ spoke not. .

According to the word of God blood without a spirit is simply death. Alone it profits for zero. Having no more life than a finger nail cut off,

Perhaps if you would look to the prescription for rightly dividing the parables you might understand why without parables as prophecy Christ spoke not. The plain text as it is written must be mixed with faith in order to hear the spiritual understanding called walking by faith .

Corrupted blood without the essence of spirit life is deader than a door nail . It has no spirit life by which it could move .

Water throughout the bible is used to represent the unseen spirit in the blood. The life of the flesh not literal blood without sprit life.
Literal blood profits for nothing.
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Corrupted flesh and blood could never enter the incorruptible order. No dead or dying things in the new heavens and earth.

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

According to the ceremonial law used as a parable .The dead lifeless, spiritless blood must be poured out at the foot of the altar so that it might return to the clay of the field . This is to show the sacrifice was a "living work" of pouring out the spirit. God does not accept "dead sacrifices".

It is one of the reasons some of the disciples walked away in un -belief. They had no faith in the eternal things not seen.

The parable spoken As a hard saying "drink the blood" of the Son of man Jesus was offensive to them. they reused to hear the interpretation of the parable

John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

it was repulsive to those who had "no faith" and therfore those who did not mix the unseen understanding with that seen. . . which defines a parable.

If we mix the unseen understanding with that seen then Like Peter in John 6 (flesh profits for nothing, zero) .We can then understand what the eyes see in parables are used to give us the spiritual understanding .

We compare that parable in John to others . Like the parable in regard to drinking the blood of men is shown twice in the old testament . Two or three representing the witness of God.

There David is held captive .And God gives David a thirst for hearing the good news. men pouring out their spirit life in jeopardy of their own spirit. Just as did jesus and the father to complete the work of d salavtion..

And no it was not literal blood that David pouerd out it was water. Which again is used to represent throughout the bible to represent that not seen the eternal

Flesh and blood profit for nothing. Corrupted creatures need spirit life .

And David was then in the hold, and the Philistines' garrison was then at Bethlehem.And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, that is at the gate! And the three brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: but David would not drink of it, but poured it out to the Lord.And said, My God forbid it me, that I should do this thing: shall I drink the blood of these men that have put their lives in jeopardy? for with the jeopardy of their lives they brought it. Therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mightiest. 1 Chronincles 11 16-19

With the jeopardy of Jesus life and the father one a living suffering as if it was two.

Sounds clear to me. The metphor "drink blood" is simply someone working as aliving work in jeaporardy of thier own spirit .
While the Catholic say it is literal blood. The JW's forbid mankind from using blood with out the essence of life to heal.

Neither do not have the understanding the parable offers.
 
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"Blik, post: 4155600, member: 249025"]If God was a separate God for Jews and Christians, you could have the right ideas but God told us that He was not. God is eternal, what we call law is simply how God created our world to be. He gives us His plan for us to have salvation, joy, and abundance and God offers that plan to humans, not to Jews as having a separate plan.

If the judaizers are Jews, then gentiles need not be concerned about accusations of their being judaizers, and Christians love to accuse other Christians of this. Scripture tells us we are the temple of God, you say we have no relation to an eternal idea of temple, and symbolism that God uses seems to be a foreign idea to you. The Levitical priesthood was a pattern of the priesthood that is of Christ it is related to Christ as our high priest, but that truth seems to be beyond your understanding.

God is eternal, and all God's ways are eternal not new and old. The world that God created that we live in today is the very same world that Adam and Eve lived in. His covenants, or ways God related to us changed, but none of His principles changed.

A covenant is simply telling us how God is relating to us. One covenant is that God relates to us by giving a rainbow to tell us we won't have a flood again. God related to man by requiring them to do some daily routines to remind them of how to live with the Lord guiding their life. The new covenant was God relating to man through the spirit.

God is eternal, God lives in a dimension that has eternal principles.
What is this business about your I am right and you are wrong?




how do you do that?

how do you take things that are totally unrelated and preach such nonsense?

your ideas are among the most skewed I have ever had the importunity to read

it isn't funny and I am not making fun

your views are touching heretical and I am not sure they have not actually arrived at that destination
Your not sure and you acuse another of touching heretical? How much of a touch or is that personal and not funny.?

How is that seeing God is not a man as us. He is eternal Spirit without beginning and end? Why would it be heretical to say God is not a man as us. Is he Jew and not Gentile? What was the purpose behind Jewish flesh the temporal corrupted.? Something to do with the shade or color ? What color is Jewish flesh? Is there any way a person could trace the genealogy back the 12 tribes? If so would that profit for something? Or like Jesus said of his own courted flesh in John 6. It profits for nothing, zero, nada?
 
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#86
Wow.

Just...

Wow.
Marvel not LOL

Isn't that great using water to represent the unseen spirit just as he used literal blood?

Amen, without parables Christ the anointing holy Spirit of God spoke not .Double Wow!

Below is the hidden formula for rightly dividing the parables which without the Holy Spirit spoke not. .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 
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why indeed does God oppose Judaizers? let's see what Paul had to say


Author: Galatians 1:1 clearly identifies the apostle Paul as the writer of the epistle to the Galatians.

Date of Writing: Galatians is likely the first New Testament book to be written, composed sometime soon after AD 49.

Purpose of Writing: The churches in Galatia were comprised of both Jewish and Gentile converts. Paul’s purpose in writing to these churches was to confirm them in the faith, especially concerning justification by faith alone, apart from the works of the Law of Moses.

Galatians was written because the churches of that region were facing a theological crisis. The essential truth of justification by faith rather than by human works was being denied by the Judaizers—legalistic Jews who insisted that Christians must keep the Mosaic Law. In particular, the Judaizers insisted on circumcision as a requirement for Gentiles who wished to be saved. In other words, convert to Judaism first, and then you are eligible to become a Christian. When Paul learned that this heresy was being taught to the Galatian churches, he composed an epistle to emphasize our liberty in Christ and to counter the perversion of the gospel that the Judaizers promoted.

Key Verses:

Galatians 2:16: “Know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.”


Galatians 2:20: "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."

Galatians 3:11: “Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, ‘The righteous will live by faith.’"

Galatians 4:5-6: “to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons. Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, ‘Abba, Father.’"


Galatians 5:22-23: “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.”

Galatians 6:7: “Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.”

Brief Summary: The fact that we are justified by grace through faith means we have spiritual freedom. We are not under bondage to the dictates of the Old Testament Law. Paul soundly condemns anyone who would denigrate the grace of God and attempt to change the gospel (Galatians 1:8–10). He gives his apostolic credentials (Galatians 1:11–2:14) and emphasizes that righteousness comes through Christ not the works of the Law (Galatians 2:21). The Galatians must stand fast in their freedom and not be “entangled again with a yoke of bondage (that is, the Mosaic law)” (Galatians 5:1). Christian freedom is not an excuse to gratify one’s sin nature; rather, our freedom is an opportunity to love one another (Galatians 5:13; 6:7–10). The Christian life is to be lived in the power of the Spirit, not the flesh (Galatians 5:16–18). The flesh has been crucified with Christ (Galatians 2:20); as a consequence, the Spirit will bear His fruit in the life of the believer (Galatians 5:22–23).

In the end, the issue is not whether a person is circumcised but whether he is a “new creation” (Galatians 6:15). Salvation is the work of the Spirit, and we must be born again (see John 3:3). External religious rites such as circumcision are of no value in the realm of the Spirit.

GotQuestions article on Judaizing and Paul's letter to the Galatians
 
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Apostolic credentials? What's that. . gods in the likeness of men?
 

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You know people are getting desperate when they start throwing kitchen sinks at you.
 
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thing is, those who are so confused over works and salvation and the law and Jesus, have no backup plan

so when scripture gives evidence of their errors, they tend to take it personal and take up a position of 'you are so mean' or come back with mockery and anger as is evidenced in this thread

we don't need a backup plan. if you have Jesus you do not need a backup plan

the deception is sad and getting worse it would seem

I never knew people could be so impossibly confused about the simple and plain truths in scripture and it is alarming as they go about proclaiming error and calling it truth
 
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Your not sure and you acuse another of touching heretical? How much of a touch or is that personal and not funny.?

How is that seeing God is not a man as us. He is eternal Spirit without beginning and end? Why would it be heretical to say God is not a man as us. Is he Jew and not Gentile? What was the purpose behind Jewish flesh the temporal corrupted.? Something to do with the shade or color ? What color is Jewish flesh? Is there any way a person could trace the genealogy back the 12 tribes? If so would that profit for something? Or like Jesus said of his own courted flesh in John 6. It profits for nothing, zero, nada?

and what is Jesus courted flesh?

your post is a nada nada
 

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Isn't that great using water to represent the unseen spirit just as he used literal blood?
It's much greater when you read the Scripture and accept what it plainly states instead of inventing contradictory "metaphorical" meanings for it, as you did in your previous posts.

Amen, without parables Christ the anointing holy Spirit of God spoke not .
Wrong; Christ is not the Holy Spirit.

Below is the hidden formula for rightly dividing the parables which without the Holy Spirit spoke not.
It isn't hidden, and Scripture says nothing about the Holy Spirit speaking with parables.

Your beliefs are becoming increasingly wacky and contrary to Scripture. It's sad watching someone become a heretic.
 

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I would ask that you rephrase. I don't quite know what you're saying and particularly with respect to the second part. The Lord is against any obedience to Him....? This is the problem with broad brush strokes when thinking to speak for "everyone", or, "most of you". You have no idea what the many feel so it is best to keep your remarks directed to the person to whom you are addressing.
In that regard, you have me wrong. We do not celebrate Easter.


Now, I'm really confused. I actually think your entire post is meant for someone else. None of what you've said makes sense to me. I clarified about the Easter matter because that is just my view.
Thanks.
I love it! I actually spoke to where I was in understanding the Lord when I was younger. Then I began studying scripture in earnest.
 

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it's really funny the way you switch back and forth with playing the victim to hitting people over the head
Well, at least red car offender has company in the passenger seat.Not for a week, not for minutes, never ever ever.
No one on this side of the computer is playing victim. What she's doing is standing up to someone who bears false witness against her posts that are in print for all to see. When someone lies about what is actually written, claiming I ever said Mary was sinless, and just so as to make a charge born of their own imagination, so as to have something to attack, they're the offender seeking victims. That's too bad. What's even worse and more than a little pathetic is that I'm not the only one targeted. It appears to be a hobby of the savage minded who feel good about themselves voicing sarcasm, condemning idioms, ad hom's, due to their deficit;contributing their part in civil discourse and respect for fellow Christians.

That's really too bad. :(

and you are not confused
No, not in the least. I recognize what someone is when they tell me so. A wise poetess once said, when someone shows you who they are the first time, believe them. I believe. And I am not alone.

not even a bit :LOL:
We see you.

I consider a bully who switches from being all fun and endearing to being verbally abrasive and rude judging me, to be what you deem necessary so as to feel good about yourself. Have at it. If it fills the void inside you, that's a sorry truth you live with. You, not those you target.
When someone lies about me, I call them out. When you can't take that, that's just too bad.
Hate isn't of the kingdom. When someone is opposed to all things Jewish there's a name for that. The sad fact is, the entire Bible is grounded in Jewish scripture. And our Savior was a Jew because He said, Salvation is of the Jews.
Antisemitism, Antisemitic's, Separation Theologists, fail to read the Bible as it should be read and understood. They miss the scripture that tell them that we shall all answer before God for every single word we've uttered as His people on earth.

I'll pray for you all now because come the day, you're all His.
No chance to Zzzzzzz then . No chance to :LOL: either.
 
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Well, at least red car offender has company in the passenger seat.Not for a week, not for minutes, never ever ever.
No one on this side of the computer is playing victim. What she's doing is standing up to someone who bears false witness against her posts that are in print for all to see. When someone lies about what is actually written, claiming I ever said Mary was sinless, and just so as to make a charge born of their own imagination, so as to have something to attack, they're the offender seeking victims. That's too bad. What's even worse and more than a little pathetic is that I'm not the only one targeted. It appears to be a hobby of the savage minded who feel good about themselves voicing sarcasm, condemning idioms, ad hom's, due to their deficit;contributing their part in civil discourse and respect for fellow Christians.

That's really too bad. :(

No, not in the least. I recognize what someone is when they tell me so. A wise poetess once said, when someone shows you who they are the first time, believe them. I believe. And I am not alone.

We see you.

I consider a bully who switches from being all fun and endearing to being verbally abrasive and rude judging me, to be what you deem necessary so as to feel good about yourself. Have at it. If it fills the void inside you, that's a sorry truth you live with. You, not those you target.
When someone lies about me, I call them out. When you can't take that, that's just too bad.
Hate isn't of the kingdom. When someone is opposed to all things Jewish there's a name for that. The sad fact is, the entire Bible is grounded in Jewish scripture. And our Savior was a Jew because He said, Salvation is of the Jews.
Antisemitism, Antisemitic's, Separation Theologists, fail to read the Bible as it should be read and understood. They miss the scripture that tell them that we shall all answer before God for every single word we've uttered as His people on earth.

I'll pray for you all now because come the day, you're all His.
No chance to Zzzzzzz then sister.
if it were not for ad hominim attacks would you have anything to say at this point?

I'm guessing you would not

childish way to behave when it is obvious you are an intelligent person

but then you cannot actually refute scripture that clearly illustrates the ill conceived practices of Catholicism such as Mary was sinless

you actually have fooled people here, myself included, and only now do we come to see what you actually believe

it's not really the fact you are Catholic...two of my best friends were Catholic growing up...the thing is, they were truthful and you have not been

you expose the real you in your ad hominim attacks ...first against Dino and now at myself because I spoke up when I saw how unfairly you attempt to create a false reality with regards to your actual beliefs. Dino has never given me any reason to think he is the problem here.

your other pale and insipid defense is referred to as Argumentum ad misericordiam ..or appeal to pity

not working
 
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try responding to this article on the book of Galatians instead of trying to steer people into personal confrontation. let's see some maturity and the ability to defend what you think is the truth

The Author
The Book of Galatians is clearly written by Paul as he wrote “Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead—and all the brothers who are with me, To the churches of Galatia” (Gal 1:1-2). This book wasn’t written to just one church but several as Paul says “to the churches of Galatia” which was a considerably large area within the Roman Empire. In writing this book around AD 49-54, Paul to the church at Galatia, you can already sense what his focus is; Jesus Christ! He is more than enough and the law is never enough.

The Purpose
Paul was astonished that the Galatians would start to believe another gospel so soon (Gal 1:6) and slip back into legalism. He warns them that if “anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed” (Gal 1:9) because “we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified” (Gal 2:16), something that Paul frequently emphasizes (Eph 2:8-9). Paul’s conclusion is a great one; “if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose” (Gal 2:21). Why, if we could do anything, did Jesus have to die? As it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them” (Gal 3:10).

The Focal Point
The central focus of the Book of Galatians is that “no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith” (Gal 3:11) so we should thank God that “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree” (Gal 3:13). It wasn’t that the law was bad, in fact “the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith” (Gal 3:24) and it pointed us to our need for the Savior. The law convicted us, Jesus blood freed us.

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things to consider when reviewing the OT laws and the New Covenant represented by the blood shed by Jesus on the cross:

Question: "Do Christians have to obey the Old Testament law?"

Answer: The key to understanding the relationship between the Christian and the Law is knowing that the Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel, not to Christians. Some of the laws were to reveal to the Israelites how to obey and please God (the Ten Commandments, for example). Some of the laws were to show the Israelites how to worship God and atone for sin (the sacrificial system). Some of the laws were intended to make the Israelites distinct from other nations (the food and clothing rules). None of the Old Testament law is binding on Christians today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23–25; Ephesians 2:15).

In place of the Old Testament law, Christians are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), which is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39). If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us: “All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:40). Now, this does not mean the Old Testament law is irrelevant today. Many of the commands in the Old Testament law fall into the categories of “loving God” and “loving your neighbor.” The Old Testament law can be a good guidepost for knowing how to love God and knowing what goes into loving your neighbor. At the same time, to say that the Old Testament law applies to Christians today is incorrect. The Old Testament law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some of it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it.

“This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3). The Ten Commandments were essentially a summary of the entire Old Testament law. Nine of the Ten Commandments are clearly repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day). Obviously, if we are loving God, we will not be worshipping false gods or bowing down before idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we will not be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them. The purpose of the Old Testament law is to convict people of our inability to keep the law and point us to our need for Jesus Christ as Savior (Romans 7:7-9; Galatians 3:24). The Old Testament law was never intended by God to be the universal law for all people for all of time. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we obey those two commands faithfully, we will be upholding all that God requires of us.
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notice, as I previously pointed out to those who think the law is no longer required, that the commandments given by Jesus actually SUMS up the law in the OT

while this is true, believers in Christ do not depend on the law for salvation

scripture is plain that no one can perfectly keep ANY law and that is the reason Jesus died in the first place

it is obvious some do not understand this and just as obvious that some believe Jesus meant other than what is actually plainly written

I would tend to think much of that is attributable to people thinking they do not need teachers other than the Holy Spirit or that they somehow can interpret manuscripts that actual authorities on the original languages cannot always agree upon

is it any use to remind some here that if you think you are a teacher, you actually have more to answer for and that scripture states that not many should refer to themselves as a teacher because of that very fact?
 

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Your not sure and you acuse another of touching heretical? How much of a touch or is that personal and not funny.?

How is that seeing God is not a man as us. He is eternal Spirit without beginning and end? Why would it be heretical to say God is not a man as us. Is he Jew and not Gentile? What was the purpose behind Jewish flesh the temporal corrupted.? Something to do with the shade or color ? What color is Jewish flesh? Is there any way a person could trace the genealogy back the 12 tribes? If so would that profit for something? Or like Jesus said of his own courted flesh in John 6. It profits for nothing, zero, nada?
Jesus was born into a Jewish family, His Disciples/Apostles were Jews. God's word tells us, Salvation is of the Jews.
There are many here, not that many thank God, that claim Christ and accuse other Christians of being Judaizers due to our knowledge of the scriptures. Likely due to Replacement Theology clouding the vision of those who accuse.
The idea that Salvation is for the Gentiles now and all things pertaining to the Hebrews are done away.

Let me help you with lowering your concern about getting past that in those dedicated thus. You won't!
They believe as ardently as Christians do, that they are right. They do not put together the context of scripture, the flow of Christ's ministry wherein He came to save the whole world. The Book of John chapter 3 and particularly verse 16. He said He came for the lost sheep of the "House of Israel". What isn't often discussed, and not among those who accuse fellow Christians of being Judaizers because we know the scriptures, is that Gentiles are of the house of Israel!
Scripture is eternal truth of God.
The Book of Genesis chapter 18:18:18 inasmuch as Avraham is sure to become a great and strong nation, and all the nations of the earth will be blessed by him? 19 For I have made myself known to him, so that he will give orders to his children and to his household after him to keep the way of Adonai and to do what is right and just, so that Adonai may bring about for Avraham what he has promised him.”​

Genesis chapter 22:18: "and by your descendants all the nations of the earth will be blessed — because you obeyed my order (voice).”
Genesis 26:4: " I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky, I will give all these lands to your descendants, and by your descendants all the nations of the earth will bless themselves. "
God did not send Jesus into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world. The world! All people. Salvation is of the Jews. They are not a four letter word!

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Got any scripture to support this idea?
Isaiah 49: 6 he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth."

Deut. 4: 5 “Surely I have taught you statutes and judgments, just as the Lord my God commanded me, that you should act according to them in the land which you go to possess. 6 Therefore be careful to observe them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the peoples who will hear all these statutes, and say, ‘Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.’