It is NOT good for man to live alone.

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In Genesis 2:18 we read: "The LORD God said, "It is NOT good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." In the verse before this 2:17 we read: "but you must NOT eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil". We see this word NOT in Genesis 2:5: " for the LORD God had NOT sent rain on the earth. The Hebrew word for NOT is a reversal and it means the opposite. In Genesis 1:31 we read: "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day."

How did we go from very good to NOT good in only 17 verses? What happened in this time to bring about this change? Then in Matthew 19:11 the disciples seem to believe that Jesus is teaching them: "It is better not to marry". This seems to be a contradiction. It is NOT good for man to be alone yet it is better not to marry.
 
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JohnR7 said:
In Genesis 2:18 we read: "The LORD God said, "It is NOT good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." In the verse before this 2:17 we read: "but you must NOT eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil". We see this word NOT in Genesis 2:5: " for the LORD God had NOT sent rain on the earth. The Hebrew word for NOT is a reversal and it means the opposite. In Genesis 1:31 we read: "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day."

How did we go from very good to NOT good in only 17 verses? What happened in this time to bring about this change? Then in Matthew 19:11 the disciples seem to believe that Jesus is teaching them: "It is better not to marry". This seems to be a contradiction. It is NOT good for man to be alone yet it is better not to marry.
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Hello John, why do you believe that, 1. no rain falling on the earth and 2. God commanding Adam not to eat from a particular tree in the middle of the Garden, was a "reversal" of God's declaration of the 6th Day being, "very good" :unsure:

As for the third "not", Adam lost a rib and his "help meet", Eve, was created on the 6th Day (e.g. Genesis 1:27-28), so she was 'part' of God's 6th Day "very good" declaration, yes :unsure:

Thanks!

~Deut

Genesis 2​
6 A mist used to rise from the earth and water the whole surface of the ground.​
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Maybe because the tree of knowledge wasn’t for humans to consume, then one might ask why place it in the garden of God.
 
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How did we go from very good to NOT good in only 17 verses?
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We do not know how much time elapsed between Creation an the Fall. What we do know is that Adam and Eve clearly disobeyed God and brought a curse upon themselves, the human race, and all creation. Had they remained obedient, everything would have been good.

And it was NOT Jesus who said that it was not good to marry. He would have been contradicting Himself had He said that.

That was what the disciples said when they discovered that divorce was strictly limited (rather than the way it was being abused by the Pharisees and others).
 
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Maybe because the tree of knowledge wasn’t for humans to consume, then one might ask why place it in the garden of God.
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Have you ever heard of humans being tested? That tree was not simply a tree of knowledge. It was the tree of the knowledge and good and evil. And it was there to test the first pair of humans. As we know they failed miserably.

The opposite scenario would have been for Adam to quickly erect a high fence around that tree and post a warning sign saying VERBOTEN (or the Hebrew equivalent). It is really quite puzzling how the first man was so careless and lackadaisical. Especially when he had every reason to be the sharpest man who ever lived, as well as the most obedient.
 
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Have you ever heard of humans being tested? That tree was not simply a tree of knowledge. It was the tree of the knowledge and good and evil. And it was there to test the first pair of humans. As we know they failed miserably.

The opposite scenario would have been for Adam to quickly erect a high fence around that tree and post a warning sign saying VERBOTEN (or the Hebrew equivalent). It is really quite puzzling how the first man was so careless and lackadaisical. Especially when he had every reason to be the sharpest man who ever lived, as well as the most obedient.
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Yes I agree and i think it was a good thing it was created and to be in the garden
 
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I always wonder why they didn't eat from the tree of life which was also in the garden.
They were stopped from having it after the fall but why didn't they want it before that? God hadn't forbidden that one.
And it sounds good. Tree of Life.
 
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I always wonder why they didn't eat from the tree of life which was also in the garden.
They were stopped from having it after the fall but why didn't they want it before that? God hadn't forbidden that one.
And it sounds good. Tree of Life.
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That’s a good question I think they did, once they eat from the tree of knowledge they couldn’t partake again with the tree of life thus the flaming sword. before they ate from the forbidden tree there was no flaming sword to guard the tree of life they were free to eat from it, as scripture says eat from any tree except 1
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
I always wonder why they didn't eat from the tree of life which was also in the garden.
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Satan had an agenda. To bring down the first human pair. He was crafty (that's what subtle means) and he led Eve step by step into forbidden territory. However, the blame is entirely hers, since she succumbed to her own three lusts. What is disturbing is the fact that she was left by herself when Adam should have been her constant companion. And then he failed to admonish her, and participated in her disobedience.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Have you ever heard of humans being tested?
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Is this the same as the freedom of choice? That God tests us to see if we will make the right choice? According to Rabbi Friedman there is something else going on here: "If you see what needs to be repaired and how to repair it, then we have found a piece of the world that G-d has left for you to complete. But if you only see what is ugly in the world, then it is you yourself that needs repair." If we are co heirs with Christ are we also co creators with God? Does HE leave things for us to do? First we fix ourselves and then we fix a small part of the world (cosmos) that we find ourselves a part of.
 
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JohnR7 said:
In Genesis 2:18 we read: "The LORD God said, "It is NOT good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." In the verse before this 2:17 we read: "but you must NOT eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil". We see this word NOT in Genesis 2:5: " for the LORD God had NOT sent rain on the earth. The Hebrew word for NOT is a reversal and it means the opposite. In Genesis 1:31 we read: "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day."

How did we go from very good to NOT good in only 17 verses? What happened in this time to bring about this change? Then in Matthew 19:11 the disciples seem to believe that Jesus is teaching them: "It is better not to marry". This seems to be a contradiction. It is NOT good for man to be alone yet it is better not to marry.
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At the end of the 6th day everything that God made was good, and sin and corruption did not happen yet.

When Adam and Eve sinned everything was still good for creation did not change and salvation was available throughout the whole history of mankind as Enoch, and Job, and Noah is testimony of that even before the Old Testament.

For creation testifies of a higher power and His attributes which one of them is love for He provided food, and the means to make clothing and shelter, and cover the 2 greatest laws love God and love people so the world is without excuse, and covers the whole history of mankind which people can be saved without knowing the word of God.

Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Mat 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

Jesus is not teaching it is not good to marry but the disciples said that because of the conditions of it.

1Co 7:32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
1Co 7:33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.

But Paul does seem to say that those that are unmarried dedicate themselves to the Lord more.

Pro 18:22 Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.

If a person finds a good mate it is good.

But it is not like years ago and it is not even like little house on the prairie anymore.

It is a whole different world now and technology caused selfishness, arrogance, self exaltation, worldliness, fleshy pleasures, low trust, and hatred to increase big time so that will be in marriage.

Jesus said since iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold.

Men and women are at odds with each other and children and parents more than anytime in history.

People have been fighting over everything there is to fight about and now it is time for the men and women to fight, and the parents and children to fight.

It was inevitable.

Look how many people who claim Christ get a divorce and some married 3 times and the 2 divorces was not because of adultery like it is no big deal when the disciples knew the seriousness of marriage that if you divorce and it not because of adultery than neither of them can marry for then the sin of adultery is upon them.

Marriage is not as good as it used to be for many people and you do not know what to expect like years ago.
 
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Marriage is not as good as it used to be for many people and you do not know what to expect like years ago.
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We use to know why, but now we do not know anymore. We have become to corrupted. Around 30 years ago I want over to my sisters house and her step son was there watching MTV. I told him that MTV was going to rot his brain out. He laughed and thought it was funny. He was in high school at the time. He went on to get a college degree in business and was working his job, making a living. Then I found out that when he was 32 he died from brain cancer. He was a really nice guy. Sometimes things do not go the way we would want them to go
 
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JohnR7 said:
In Genesis 2:18 we read: "The LORD God said, "It is NOT good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." In the verse before this 2:17 we read: "but you must NOT eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil". We see this word NOT in Genesis 2:5: " for the LORD God had NOT sent rain on the earth. The Hebrew word for NOT is a reversal and it means the opposite. In Genesis 1:31 we read: "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning--the sixth day."

How did we go from very good to NOT good in only 17 verses? What happened in this time to bring about this change? Then in Matthew 19:11 the disciples seem to believe that Jesus is teaching them: "It is better not to marry". This seems to be a contradiction. It is NOT good for man to be alone yet it is better not to marry.
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Adam proved we are a corrupt species when he sinned under perfect conditions. It's best to marry but divorce and remarriage is adultery under any circumstances. So it then becomes a curse.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
I always wonder why they didn't eat from the tree of life which was also in the garden.
They were stopped from having it after the fall but why didn't they want it before that? God hadn't forbidden that one.
And it sounds good. Tree of Life.
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Where does the Bible declare Adam and Eve did not have access to the tree of life before the fall ???

Chapter and verse please?
 
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JohnR7 said:
In Genesis 2:18 we read: "The LORD God said, "It is NOT good for the man to be alone.
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How can one be alone if God is present everywhere at the same time? A man without truth is the most miserable of all so wouldn't it be better to be alone than with someone who believes in an omnipresent God wouldn't you say?
 
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How can one be alone if God is present everywhere at the same time? A man without truth is the most miserable of all so wouldn't it be better to be alone than with someone who believes in an omnipresent God wouldn't you say?
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what is this chicken scratching misquote thing you have going on all the time?

In Genesis 2:18 we read: "The LORD God said, "It is NOT good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."
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that is right in the Bible

you don't know what you are talking about...as usual
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
I always wonder why they didn't eat from the tree of life which was also in the garden.
They were stopped from having it after the fall but why didn't they want it before that? God hadn't forbidden that one.
And it sounds good. Tree of Life.
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maybe they did, before they ate of the second tree. what we know is that they didn't afterwards.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Satan had an agenda. To bring down the first human pair. He was crafty (that's what subtle means) and he led Eve step by step into forbidden territory. However, the blame is entirely hers, since she succumbed to her own three lusts. What is disturbing is the fact that she was left by herself when Adam should have been her constant companion. And then he failed to admonish her, and participated in her disobedience.
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i would think Satan wanted them to eat of the tree of life in their poisoned state. that would be part of his agenda.

God prevented it, when He pronounced judgement - but we should probably ask why they didn't in the intervening time?
they spent their time making garments of vegetable matter instead. does that make sense? what would have to be true for that to make perfect sense?
 
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