Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

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eternally-gratefull said:
The problem with this is it ignored most of OT prophecy and makes romans 11 pretty much meaningless

romans 9 is answering the question, did God make a mistake choosing Isreal, he point by point refutes the thought israel had that they were saved by being jews, and their argument that they were chosen because they were so righteous.

He spends time after this proving that gentiles would be called Gods people

then spends romans 11 telling gentiles not to make the same mistake Isreal made thinking they were so special, because just as they lost, you to will lose in fact, god is not done with Isreal, they will all be saved at a point in time, when their redeemer comes and they repent,
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It doesn't ignore OT prophecy.

It shows who is being talked about in OT prophecy.

It isn't the children of the flesh who the promises were made to.

It is the children of God who the promises are for.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
If you only knew
I am not criticizing you I am just staying a fact
if you can’t answer those basic questions you should Not be telling us how wrong we are and trying to get us to see it your way
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I answer the best I can.
 
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wolfwint said:
So you belong to the tribe of Judah. And what is with my second question?
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All believers belong to the tribe of Judah in Christ. Thus Paul says we are the real Jews in some places to make a point.
 
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John146 said:
Are all believers of Israel or of Judah? Can some believers be of Simeon?
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Only in Christ = of the tribe of Judah. Paul was of Benjamin in the flesh, but also of Judah in spirit. Because of membership in Christ's body.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Grandpa said:
It doesn't ignore OT prophecy.

It shows who is being talked about in OT prophecy.

It isn't the children of the flesh who the promises were made to.

It is the children of God who the promises are for.
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Again

did not promise spiritual Isreal a plot of land, and tell them they have to wait 400 years until they get to even occupy that land

then tell them in Lev 26, while they are in the land they are required to obey him, if they disobay God will punish them in a seven step process, final punishment to be what happened to them in Babylon and Rome

yet even then tell them, if they repent, ad it their sin, admit the sin of the father, he will remember his promise, he will remember the land,

that’s flesh/physical people man, not spiritual

god offered the world eternal life enteracne in heaven, this is the spiritual gift through the covenant with abraham we all partake in

God gave only one requirement for that, and that is to say yes to gods gift. Of eternal life
 
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Dave-L said:
Only in Christ = of the tribe of Judah. Paul was of Benjamin in the flesh, but also of Judah in spirit. Because of membership in Christ's body.
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Ok, so when twelve tribes is used it’s not talking about the Church but the physical people Israel.
 
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John146 said:
Well, you said Jesus was Judah. Now He’s Israel also. Are those in Christ Judah or Israel?
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Both in Christ now called Israel as before the split.
 
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Dave-L said:
No, because Jesus is Israel and Judah.
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judah is 1/12 of Israel

It is also the lower kingdom, the northern of which was destroyed by Assyria
 
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Dave-L said:
In the NT Jesus resolved the split being Israel in person.
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That’s good I think he brought the world together and made it one spiritual nation

but the OT did not say that would happen

it said the people would come back from the lands they were sent captive to in punishment for her sins, and then be brought back and made one nation again.

need me to prove it?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
That’s good I think he brought the world together and made it one spiritual nation

but the OT did not say that would happen

it said the people would come back from the lands they were sent captive to in punishment for her sins, and then be brought back and made one nation again.

need me to prove it?
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You don't understand circumcision and the gentile status of the unbelieving Jews today.
 
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Dave-L said:
You don't understand circumcision and the gentile status of the unbelieving Jews today.
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I am not discussing circumcision or Isreal today, so why do you keep bringing it up?

isreal today is in Sin, they are being punished for that sin, they live in fear daily because they are hated by the world even in their land they are slaves they have a Muslim temple in their holy city which is what they deserve

i know christian jews and Palestinians who say jerusalem is a place of fear for both groups, there is no peace. And there will never be peace as long as Israel continues in sin

let’s talk about what prophecy says will happen, not what we agree is happening today
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I am not discussing circumcision or Isreal today, so why do you keep bringing it up?

isreal today is in Sin, they are being punished for that sin, they live in fear daily because they are hated by the world even in their land they are slaves they have a Muslim temple in their holy city which is what they deserve

i know christian jews and Palestinians who say jerusalem is a place of fear for both groups, there is no peace. And there will never be peace as long as Israel continues in sin

let’s talk about what prophecy says will happen, not what we agree is happening today
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You cannot understand this topic unless you understand Jewish history and the role circumcision played.
 
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