Removal Theology not Replacement Theology
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It would be an ABSOLUTE fulfillment of prophecy if the "church" were biblical Israel.
It would be an ABSOLUTE fulfillment of prophecy if the land promises were a shadow of the Kingdom, as were all the things given and shown to the ancient Hebrews.
Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Who is God making these promises to? Is it the children of the flesh? Or is it to the children of God?
It would be an ABSOLUTE fulfillment of prophecy if the land promises were a shadow of the Kingdom, as were all the things given and shown to the ancient Hebrews.
Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Who is God making these promises to? Is it the children of the flesh? Or is it to the children of God?
Ishmael?
Since when was Ishmael a part of Israel?
Oh, never mind. Let me just show you...
Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Galatians 3:7-9
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Galatians 3:14-18
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Galatians 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Since when was Ishmael a part of Israel?
Oh, never mind. Let me just show you...
Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Galatians 3:7-9
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Galatians 3:14-18
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Galatians 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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The problem with this is it ignored most of OT prophecy and makes romans 11 pretty much meaningless
romans 9 is answering the question, did God make a mistake choosing Isreal, he point by point refutes the thought israel had that they were saved by being jews, and their argument that they were chosen because they were so righteous.
He spends time after this proving that gentiles would be called Gods people
then spends romans 11 telling gentiles not to make the same mistake Isreal made thinking they were so special, because just as they lost, you to will lose in fact, god is not done with Isreal, they will all be saved at a point in time, when their redeemer comes and they repent,
romans 9 is answering the question, did God make a mistake choosing Isreal, he point by point refutes the thought israel had that they were saved by being jews, and their argument that they were chosen because they were so righteous.
He spends time after this proving that gentiles would be called Gods people
then spends romans 11 telling gentiles not to make the same mistake Isreal made thinking they were so special, because just as they lost, you to will lose in fact, god is not done with Isreal, they will all be saved at a point in time, when their redeemer comes and they repent,
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