What is the gospel

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rhern

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1. What is the gospel

2. What is the statement of faith?

3. When did the Christianity begin?

4. If there were 12 apostles why was Paul chosen?
 

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1. The good news of Christ as our savior by grace through faith.

2. Google says :Statement of Faith. We believe the Bible to be the inspired, the only infallible, authoritative Word of God. We believe that there is one God, eternally existent in three persons: Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. (though if we were to discuss a saving faith I think using scripture is better than quoting a creed...especially if this creed uses the bible as it's authority)

3. "The Christianity" ? Not sure I understand the question.


4. Acts 9:

13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:

14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.

15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.


Why? Because God chose to use even a man like paul for His will to be done here on earth.
 

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1. What is the gospel

2. What is the statement of faith?

3. When did the Christianity begin?

4. If there were 12 apostles why was Paul chosen?

1) John 3:16

2) Romans 10:8-13

3) Acts 2:4

4) To preach to gentiles

Acts 26: "17" Delivering thee from the Jews, & from the ""Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee""
(NOTE: Paul, is sent to the GENTILES by the RISEN Christ himself)

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Eph 3:
1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ ""for you Gentiles"" 6 ""That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs""", and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, """that I should preach among the Gentiles"""" the unsearchable riches of Christ;

1Tim 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
 
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1) John 3:16

2) Romans 10:8-13

3) Acts 2:4

4) To preach to gentiles

Acts 26: "17" Delivering thee from the Jews, & from the ""Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee""
(NOTE: Paul, is sent to the GENTILES by the RISEN Christ himself)

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Eph 3:
1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ ""for you Gentiles"" 6 ""That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs""", and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, """that I should preach among the Gentiles"""" the unsearchable riches of Christ;

1Tim 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
I can see that you are a classical, or acts 2 dispensationalist.
 

rhern

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1) John 3:16

2) Romans 10:8-13

3) Acts 2:4

4) To preach to gentiles

Acts 26: "17" Delivering thee from the Jews, & from the ""Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee""
(NOTE: Paul, is sent to the GENTILES by the RISEN Christ himself)

Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Eph 3:
1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ ""for you Gentiles"" 6 ""That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs""", and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, """that I should preach among the Gentiles"""" the unsearchable riches of Christ;

1Tim 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
Yes, So true.

But why did Jesus not spend more time with the Gentiles?
 

Aerials1978

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Yes, So true.

But why did Jesus not spend more time with the Gentiles?
Because He was sent to the lost Children of Israel in His human form. He preached to the Gentiles through the Apostles, mostly by Paul.
 
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Because He was sent to the lost Children of Israel in His human form. He preached to the Gentiles through the Apostles, mostly by Paul.
Did the other apostles knew they were suppose to also preach to Gentiles?
 
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Yes, as the were told by Christ Himself.
They were told in Matthew 10:5 not to preach the gospel to the Gentiles.

But I suppose you are referring to the "all nations" part of the Great Commission in Matthew?

How would you reconcile these 2 contradictory commandments?
 

Aerials1978

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They were told in Matthew 10:5 not to preach the gospel to the Gentiles.

But I suppose you are referring to the "all nations" part of the Great Commission in Matthew?

How would you reconcile these 2 contradictory commandments?
Those verses were at different points within Christ’s ministry.
 
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Those verses were at different points within Christ’s ministry.
If what you claimed was correct, in Acts 11, when the Jewish believers criticized Peter for eating with the Gentiles, why didn't Peter remind them of what Christ commanded them, to go to all nations in Matthew 28?
 

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If what you claimed was correct, in Acts 11, when the Jewish believers criticized Peter for eating with the Gentiles, why didn't Peter remind them of what Christ commanded them, to go to all nations in Matthew 28?
Why was Peter rebuked by Paul for essentially the same thing?
 

FlyingDove

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Yes, So true.

But why did Jesus not spend more time with the Gentiles?
God makes Abraham a land promise:
The kingdom promise is the fulfillment of Gods unilateral, unconditional covenant pomise to Abraham (Gen 12:1-3, 15:17-18).

God make's Abraham another promise, seed/offspring:

Gen 22:
16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

The Nation of Israel is Abraham's offspring. God gives the exact boundaries of the promised land in Num 34:1-15 (also: Deut 1:8, Ex 2:24, Ex 6:4, 8 & Ps 105:8-11)

The Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven message begins with John the Baptist: John's message, I prepare ye the way for the King Isa 40:1-11, Ps 85:9-14, Mal 3:1, Matt 11:10, Mk 1:2

Matt 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
(NOTE: The kingdom of heaven is at hand: near/in your grasp. All they had to do was believe Jesus was their long promised Messiah. And the time of restoration would have begun)

Matt 4:23 Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, "preaching the gospel of the kingdom"
(NOTE: They rejected their King. We know on the cross they were shouting we have no King crucify him. )


Acts 1:
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

(NOTE: Solomon was Israel's last King to sit on David's throne, so, the time of the gentiles begins there & will continue until God's chosen King returns & sits on Davids Throne)

Lk 1:
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

1 Corinthians 15:
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven
(NOTE: The 2nd man: Chosen by God, to become King is FROM heaven not IN heaven)

Finally, the Jews had a system that covered sin. Gentiles had nothing:

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
(NOTE: Gentiles had NO sacrificial system for dealing with sin = NO HOPE)

After a sinless Christ's sacrificial death (sins required wage paid) burial (proof he died) & resurrection (The Father's receipt, payment received & accepted.

After Christ's resurrection the message (to Jews only) changes:

Matthew 28:19 Jesus say's; Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
(NOTE: They are no longer sent just the lost sheep of Israel, but, ALL NATIONS)

It's post sin payment & resurrection when the risen Lord chooses Paul & sends him to the Gentiles.
 
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Why was Peter rebuked by Paul for essentially the same thing?
That event happened quite sometime after Acts 10 and after Acts 15.

My view is that because he was acting as a hypocrite by eating with the Gentiles but avoided them when the men from James appeared?

So what is your view on Acts 11?
 
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After Christ's resurrection the message (to Jews only) changes:

Matthew 28:19 Jesus say's; Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
(NOTE: They are no longer sent just the lost sheep of Israel, but, ALL NATIONS)
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If what you claimed was correct, in Acts 11, when the Jewish believers criticized Peter for eating with the Gentiles, why didn't Peter remind them of what Christ commanded them, to go to all nations in Matthew 28?
 

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If what you claimed was correct, in Acts 11, when the Jewish believers criticized Peter for eating with the Gentiles, why didn't Peter remind them of what Christ commanded them, to go to all nations in Matthew 28?
Aren’t you into the dispensationalism 2 gospels doctrine.
 
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Aren’t you into the dispensationalism 2 gospels doctrine.
I believe the good news given to the Jews in the 4 gospels is not the same content as the one given to Paul, true.

But now aren't we discussing what exactly was the commission the resurrected Christ gave to the apostles?
 

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In your view, Matthias was the wrong choice made by the 11 in Acts 1? Why do you hold that view?
It should be obvious that Matthias was what one might call *a temporary fill-in*. He is not even mentioned after Acts 1. But Paul had been elected as an apostle before he was born.

But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace... (Galatians 1:15)