What is the gospel

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We are discussing what exactly was the commission the resurrected Christ gave to the apostles correct?
Right, but you and I will differ on that. Already been that route.
 
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Right, but you and I will differ on that. Already been that route.
So I am asking you how would you understand what Peter stated in Acts 11. You have a view on that?
 
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It should be obvious that Matthias was what one might call *a temporary fill-in*. He is not even mentioned after Acts 1. But Paul had been elected as an apostle before he was born.

But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace... (Galatians 1:15)
I see, yep I have met a number of Christians who believed that Matthias should not have been picked in Acts 1, because God had Paul in mind to replace Judas.

Seems you subscribed to this view too.
 
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Are you talking about verse 44 - 48
I am talking about this point

If what you claimed was correct, in Acts 11, when the Jewish believers criticized Peter for eating with the Gentiles, why didn't Peter remind them of what Christ commanded them, to go to all nations in Matthew 28?
 

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I am talking about this point
I would assume that the Jewish leaders didn’t believe the Gospel was for the Gentiles. There was a lot of misconceptions during that time. Unfortunately Peter bought into that to an extent.
 
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I would assume that the Jewish leaders didn’t believe the Gospel was for the Gentiles. There was a lot of misconceptions during that time. Unfortunately Peter bought into that to an extent.
But didn't Jesus told them in Matthew 10:5 not to go to the gentiles?

And even after he resurrected, at no point of time did he tell them that the Law of Moses was done away with.

He even reminded them in Matthew 28 to teach others to obey everything he commanded them.

So if you are Peter, and you were taught by Jesus all those 3 years, given what the scripture has recorded in the 3 instances I have stated above, why do you think he had misconceptions?

Would it be possible, instead, that they were never meant to be sent to Gentiles with the gospel that they were given in Matthew to John?
 

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But didn't Jesus told them in Matthew 10:5 not to go to the gentiles?

And even after he resurrected, at no point of time did he tell them that the Law of Moses was done away with.

He even reminded them in Matthew 28 to teach others to obey everything he commanded them.

So if you are Peter, and you were taught by Jesus all those 3 years, given what the scripture has recorded in the 3 instances I have stated above, why do you think he had misconceptions?

Would it be possible, instead, that they were never meant to be sent to Gentiles with the gospel that they were given in Matthew to John?
If they were never meant to go, they wouldn’t have gone. I don’t know where you are going with this.
 
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If they were never meant to go, they wouldn’t have gone. I don’t know where you are going with this.
Did Scripture record anyone from the 12 going to the Gentiles to preach?

And for that one off Cornelius event, it was only after the Holy Spirit specifically shown Peter with a vision 3 times, before Peter was willing to go. Yet he had to remind Cornelius that it was against the Law for him to be there.

So yes, you are right, they never did go to the Gentiles.
 

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Did Scripture record anyone from the 12 going to the Gentiles to preach?

And for that one off Cornelius event, it was only after the Holy Spirit specifically shown Peter with a vision 3 times, before Peter was willing to go. Yet he had to remind Cornelius that it was against the Law for him to be there.

So yes, you are right, they never did go to the Gentiles.
You’re forgetting Philip and the Eunuch. Anyways, what point are you trying to make?
 
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You’re forgetting Philip and the Eunuch. Anyways, what point are you trying to make?
The Eunuch was heading to Jerusalem to worship, Acts 8:vs27, he was a Jew too. In vs37, he declared he believed Jesus is the Son of God, which was the gospel of the circumcision.

My point, I have already stated to you, is

Would it be possible, instead, that they were never meant to be sent to Gentiles with the gospel that they were given in Matthew to John?
 

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The Eunuch was heading to Jerusalem to worship, Acts 8:vs27, he was a Jew too. In vs37, he declared he believed Jesus is the Son of God, which was the gospel of the circumcision.

My point, I have already stated to you, is
Where are getting that the Eunuch was Jewish? Are saying he was of the lost tribe? Hippolytus(Even though Catholic) was a pretty knowledgeable theology and had written where the Apostles preached which did include Gentile nations.
 
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Where are getting that the Eunuch was Jewish? Are saying he was of the lost tribe? Hippolytus(Even though Catholic) was a pretty knowledgeable theology and had written where the Apostles preached which did include Gentile nations.
Jews are scattered all over the world. Are you saying you believe just because Acts 8 said he is a eunuch, he cannot be Jewish? Jesus also mentioned about eunuchs in Matthew 19:11-12.

Jews can also be eunuchs and vice versa.
 

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Jews are scattered all over the world. Are you saying you believe just because Acts 8 said he is a eunuch, he cannot be Jewish? Jesus also mentioned about eunuchs in Matthew 19:11-12.

Jews can also be eunuchs and vice versa.
I know that, but what evidence do you have that he was Jewish?
 
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I know that, but what evidence do you have that he was Jewish?
I already said, he was going to Jerusalem to worship vs 27. That is the clearest indication that he is Jewish.

Jews scattered abroad do make it a point to visit Jerusalem a few times a year during important Jewish festivals. Acts 2:5 indicated that, at Pentecost which is an important festival of the Jews,

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

In fact, Acts 2:5 forms the foundation of my belief that what Jesus meant when he said "all nations" in Matthew 28, is Jews of all nations. This is also reinforced by what Mark 13:10 stated
 

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I already said, he was going to Jerusalem to worship vs 27. That is the clearest indication that he is Jewish.

Jews scattered abroad do make it a point to visit Jerusalem a few times a year during important Jewish festivals. Acts 2:5 indicated that, at Pentecost which is an important festival of the Jews,

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

In fact, Acts 2:5 forms the foundation of my belief that what Jesus meant when he said "all nations" in Matthew 28, is Jews of all nations. This is also reinforced by what Mark 13:10 stated
You could make the argument that he was Jewish based off that passage, but I don’t think there is enough to support that theory. He may have been a Gentile that worshiped the God of Israel. They did exist as well.

Again, you adhere to the 2 gospel doctrine and I do not. You’re leaving out historical evidence and writings that the Apostles did indeed preach to the Gentiles.
 
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You could make the argument that he was Jewish based off that passage, but I don’t think there is enough to support that theory. He may have been a Gentile that worshiped the God of Israel. They did exist as well.

Again, you adhere to the 2 gospel doctrine and I do not. You’re leaving out historical evidence and writings that the Apostles did indeed preach to the Gentiles.
Okay, if you are relying on evidence other than scripture for your doctrine, we can agree to disagree here.

However, I can agree with you that, after the events in Acts 28, the 12 could have ended up preaching to the Gentiles, once they realized for themselves that the Jewish nation have rejected their Messiah.
 

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I already said, he was going to Jerusalem to worship vs 27. That is the clearest indication that he is Jewish.

Jews scattered abroad do make it a point to visit Jerusalem a few times a year during important Jewish festivals. Acts 2:5 indicated that, at Pentecost which is an important festival of the Jews,

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

In fact, Acts 2:5 forms the foundation of my belief that what Jesus meant when he said "all nations" in Matthew 28, is Jews of all nations. This is also reinforced by what Mark 13:10 stated
You would also have to think that since he was struggling with the book of Isaiah that maybe he wasn’t Jewish.
 

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Okay, if you are relying on evidence other than scripture for your doctrine, we can agree to disagree here.

I can agree with you that, after the events in Acts 28, the 12 could have ended up preaching to the Gentiles, once they realized for themselves that the Jewish nation have rejected their Messiah.
What’s wrong with using non-scripture to affirm facts of history? The books of Maccabees isn’t considered scripture(Except by Catholics) but is gives a historical overview of the Jewish revolt against the Seleucid Empire.
 
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You would also have to think that since he was struggling with the book of Isaiah that maybe he wasn’t Jewish.
Well, even at this point of time, there are many Jews who rejected Jesus as the son of God, even when they follow the OT where Isaiah is telling them that Jesus is the son of God, right? ;)