Removal Theology not Replacement Theology
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False. I'm urging you to take the chapter of scripture you CLAIM to be standing on and accept it. (the entire chapter)
You appear unwilling to do so.
God's plans are God's plans not my interpretation.
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, ‘Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.’ 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
‘The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.’[g]
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
You appear unwilling to do so.
God's plans are God's plans not my interpretation.
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, ‘Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.’ 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
‘The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.’[g]
28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
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Because God said I give you this and forever. As an eternal promise, and through this promise he would show the nations of the world he was God
He also made it specific in prophesy that Israel would rebel. He would punish them as he said he wold in Lev 26, But even then, he will NEVER forget them, and he will never forsake them, and he will ALWAYS remember his promise he made to them through their fathers. And that even AFTER he completely removes them from the land. They will repent, and he WILL remember his promise and in doing this, he WILL restor them.
why would I want to take these prophesies and somehow claim these are prophesies concerning the church, not Israel?
God does not go back on his promises.
and yes, He does use them as a symbol. To prove to the world you do what I ask, and live the way I want you to live, YOU WILL BE BLESSED.
And God will establish this truth through them still. Just like the prophets said he would.
He also made it specific in prophesy that Israel would rebel. He would punish them as he said he wold in Lev 26, But even then, he will NEVER forget them, and he will never forsake them, and he will ALWAYS remember his promise he made to them through their fathers. And that even AFTER he completely removes them from the land. They will repent, and he WILL remember his promise and in doing this, he WILL restor them.
why would I want to take these prophesies and somehow claim these are prophesies concerning the church, not Israel?
God does not go back on his promises.
and yes, He does use them as a symbol. To prove to the world you do what I ask, and live the way I want you to live, YOU WILL BE BLESSED.
And God will establish this truth through them still. Just like the prophets said he would.
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You hurt yourself almost every time you make a statement
The abrahamic covenant continues to be fulfilled today as we speak It is not done it is not completed. It continues.
It is an eternal promise, not a conditional one
the new covenant fulfills the mosaic covenant, thats why it is called new, The abrahamic covenant is still being fulfilled. God is still making abraham a father of many nations and still blessing the world through his son, and he STILL will keep his promise he made concerning a nation of people.
The abrahamic covenant continues to be fulfilled today as we speak It is not done it is not completed. It continues.
It is an eternal promise, not a conditional one
the new covenant fulfills the mosaic covenant, thats why it is called new, The abrahamic covenant is still being fulfilled. God is still making abraham a father of many nations and still blessing the world through his son, and he STILL will keep his promise he made concerning a nation of people.
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In other words,
You want to talk to people who agree with you. Not to those who disagree and may be able to show you some things.
Your one sided. Closed minded. whcih makes us wonder, why are you in a bible discussion forum when you d not want to discuss the Bible. But push your views on what YOU THINK the Bible says?
You want to talk to people who agree with you. Not to those who disagree and may be able to show you some things.
Your one sided. Closed minded. whcih makes us wonder, why are you in a bible discussion forum when you d not want to discuss the Bible. But push your views on what YOU THINK the Bible says?
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