Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

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eternally-gratefull

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Dave-L said:
What's your question? Be specific.
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I never asked a question..

so many people have posted passages and tried to show you what they see. You ignore passage, come back with a “your wrong” with no rebutt le using the passage itself. You just say they are wrong.

She stated somethign from romans 11 and you completey ignored her and just said she is wrong. you never even looked at romans 11. You just made a comment that romans 11 says this, and never even showed us where it says that.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Dave-L said:
Define the role circumcision played.
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Define where romans 11 says what you said it did.

I am not playing your childish game.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I never asked a question..

so many people have posted passages and tried to show you what they see. You ignore passage, come back with a “your wrong” with no rebutt le using the passage itself. You just say they are wrong.

She stated somethign from romans 11 and you completey ignored her and just said she is wrong. you never even looked at romans 11. You just made a comment that romans 11 says this, and never even showed us where it says that.
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I need a clear question before I'll attempt answering.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Dave-L said:
Let's be precise and ask a clear question for me to answer.
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Really???
Dave-L said:
Romans 11 says he removed the unbelievers from Israel. Is Paul anti semitic? And will reattach any who have faith in Christ.
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eternally-gratefull said:
well. That is what discussion is for Is it not? Is that not how we learn from each other. Or how we if we are open find out we have been led astray?

so show us in Romans 11 the very verses that say what you claim..since it is YOUR interpretation
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eternally-gratefull said:
Define where romans 11 says what you said it did.

I am not playing your childish game.
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I am not sure, But I do not know how much more SPECIFIC I can be!
 
wolfwint

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After Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross, the only biblical Israel is the Church with believing gentiles grafted into the faithful remaining from the twelve tribes. The unbelievers replaced by them. Which tribe do you belong to?
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No gentile belongs to one of the 12 tribes, ore can you find in your family tree Jacob?
God had and has a different plan with the 12 tribes on earth than with those which are called christians.
 
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wolfwint said:
No gentile belongs to one of the 12 tribes, ore can you find in your family tree Jacob?
God had and has a different plan with the 12 tribes on earth than with those which are called christians.
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The 12 tribes are in Christ as a foundation of the Church. Christians are the Church, thus members of the 12 tribes.
 
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wolfwint said:
Then the book of revealation is a lie?
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“And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:” Revelation 21:12 (KJV 1900)
 
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Dave-L said:
Define the role circumcision played.
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Romans 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Physical circumcision was a shadow of what was to come. It was a physical sign of belonging to the people who follow God.

In Romans 2 Paul says that outward sign ISN'T what makes a person a child of God.
 
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Dave-L said:
“And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:” Revelation 21:12 (KJV 1900)
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Then you should read further till vers 14!
You gave no answer to my question.
 
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Then you should read further till vers 14!
You gave no answer to my question.
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DO you think the book of Revelation is a lie?

“And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.” Revelation 21:14 (KJV 1900)
 
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Grandpa said:
Romans 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Physical circumcision was a shadow of what was to come. It was a physical sign of belonging to the people who follow God.

In Romans 2 Paul says that outward sign ISN'T what makes a person a child of God.
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also remember, it was given to a gentile. Him and his sons. Not all of them which later became Israel.
for some reason, it just became a jewish thing, and taken way out of context.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Dave-L said:
“And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:” Revelation 21:12 (KJV 1900)
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It also had 12 gates, named for the 12 sons of Israel.

The people in heaven are there based on what h 12 sins of Isreal and the 12 postles did. In the end they will be united

NO ONE HERE DISPUTES THIS FACT.

Our discussion concerns the EARTHLY promised given to the NATION of Isreal . Which has NOTHING to do With heaven. Or spiritual Israel whatsoever

Your problem is you can not seperate the two. So you can not see what others are saying.

 
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eternally-gratefull said:
It also had 12 gates, named for the 12 sons of Israel.

The people in heaven are there based on what h 12 sins of Isreal and the 12 postles did. In the end they will be united

NO ONE HERE DISPUTES THIS FACT.

Our discussion concerns the EARTHLY promised given to the NATION of Isreal . Which has NOTHING to do With heaven. Or spiritual Israel whatsoever

Your problem is you can not seperate the two. So you can not see what others are saying.
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In the New Covenant, Jesus is unified Judah and Israel. Along with those who believe in him. So in Revelation, the foundation of New Jerusalem is a picture of the Church.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
also remember, it was given to a gentile. Him and his sons. Not all of them which later became Israel.
for some reason, it just became a jewish thing, and taken way out of context.
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Now put that with this;

Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Now you can see that those who were physically circumcised weren't necessarily Israel.

Israel are the children of God. Those who are circumcised of the Heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter, whose praise is not of men but of God.

Christians...

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
It also had 12 gates, named for the 12 sons of Israel.

The people in heaven are there based on what h 12 sins of Isreal and the 12 postles did. In the end they will be united

NO ONE HERE DISPUTES THIS FACT.

Our discussion concerns the EARTHLY promised given to the NATION of Isreal . Which has NOTHING to do With heaven. Or spiritual Israel whatsoever

Your problem is you can not seperate the two. So you can not see what others are saying.
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If circumcision was a shadow and the Law was a shadow why would you think that the earthly promise to physical Israel was not ALSO a shadow?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Dave-L said:
In the New Covenant, Jesus is unified Judah and Israel. Along with those who believe in him. So in Revelation, the foundation of New Jerusalem is a picture of the Church.
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yep, everyone here knows this

but we are talking about the abrahamic covenant. Please keep on topic
 
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