Elijah to come vs Antichrist

[Guojing]

The meaning to Jesus sayin "if you are willing to except it" would be understood as "if you can comprehend it" John the Baptist was that Elijah who was to come.

Elijah coming as one of the two witnesses is only conjecture, because no where does it specifically state his name. It is assumed that Elijah is one of the two witnesses because of the similar plague of them being able to shut the sky so that it doesn't rain. God can have any prophet do that.

The fact is that Jesus said that John the Baptist was that Elijah who was to come. It says that right in the scripture and still people argue about. Take it up with Jesus, he's the One who said it. I'm just quoting it.

I don't have to do that, Jesus already added the conditional "if". Since the if conditional did not take place, whether accept or comprehend as you stated, the "then" part need not come true too.

You don't disagree with my point that the Jewish nation rejected Jesus as their King, which was what John the Baptist was preaching to the Jews, aka the Gospel of the Kingdom, correct?

 

[Ahwatukee]

I don't have to do that, Jesus already added the conditional "if". Since the if conditional did not take place, whether accept or comprehend as you stated, the "then" part need not come true too.

You don't disagree with my point that the Jewish nation rejected Jesus as their King, which was what John the Baptist was preaching to the Jews, aka the Gospel of the Kingdom, correct?

Don't teach English. The "if" in the verse does not infer does not infer possible falseness of John being that Elijah who was to come. For following that Jesus says, "he is that Elijah who was to come," regardless of whether they excepted it or not. Jesus is stating a fact, not a possibility.

However, if you want to believe what you have claimed, you are free to do so.

 

[Guojing]

Don't teach English. The "if" in the verse does not infer does not infer possible falseness of John being that Elijah who was to come. For following that Jesus says, "he is that Elijah who was to come," regardless of whether they excepted it or not. Jesus is stating a fact, not a possibility.

However, if you want to believe what you have claimed, you are free to do so.

Looks like you have a different understanding of how the “if-then conditional” works.

Okay we can agree to disagree, it’s a minor point anyway.

 

[Timothy5378]

Elijah or a man in his Spirit will come before the great and dreadful day

The two witnesses are later

You get a real.nice prophet early and then two angry ones later...but they will convert people...and imagine if there were head to head fight with the Antichrist and false prophet...but it's clear one man is sent first and if people don't listen God will totally anilate the planet...think this man will bring families together...but they said John the Baptist and Jesus had demons...so imagine one prophet in nuclear environments and other things...its important that he comes before...not during the trib...the 2 wits are later but one probably the same man...what you will find If you Google that serious Christian pastors...Chuck Smith and others believed him to be alive...but he can't force the planet to listen...and do...but many will get saved...but most surmise he won't be received well...he won't be a game player...he will want people to fully repent and know and obey God and Christ

 

[Guojing]

Elijah or a man in his Spirit will come before the great and dreadful day

The two witnesses are later

You get a real.nice prophet early and then two angry ones later...but they will convert people...and imagine if there were head to head fight with the Antichrist and false prophet...but it's clear one man is sent first and if people don't listen God will totally anilate the planet...think this man will bring families together...but they said John the Baptist and Jesus had demons...so imagine one prophet in nuclear environments and other things...its important that he comes before...not during the trib...the 2 wits are later but one probably the same man...what you will find If you Google that serious Christian pastors...Chuck Smith and others believed him to be alive...but he can't force the planet to listen...and do...but many will get saved...but most surmise he won't be received well...he won't be a game player...he will want people to fully repent and know and obey God and Christ

I believe in the Great Tribulation, not only will there be 144,000 Jewish evangelists preaching the gospel of the Kingdom once again to the Jews. The Jews will also see their 2 greatest figureheads Moses and Elijah preaching to them, with signs and wonders, which will be activated once again by God.

Together with even angels preaching to the Jews, the nation will finally repent for putting their brother (Jesus) on the cross and cry out "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord".

The story of Joseph and his 12 brothers in Egypt will be the closest analogy to that event.

 

[Timothy5378]

Elijah to come...he knows what to do....he is lead by the Spirit....not by man....he would know the Bible and God...he might warn some others help...but when God is done with the world it won't be his fault...it will be the lukewarm church and a hardened world....with there be faith when Jesus returns....No

Though Samuel....stood before me they would only save themselves not even their children....can one man love so much to care about the whole world like Jesus and bring about a paving of the Way before the wrath of the Lamb...yes....but billions will die and go to hell....and it won't be his fault...they wanted Joel Osteen...not the KJV Bible....people want money and things....not giving all up...they want selfishness....not Love

 

[Timothy5378]

Daniel doesn't make it clear that the Antichrist comes from Rome at all. None of the prophets indicate a Roman Antichrist. The Roman Antichrist theory is a modern Western interpretation.

From the 4th beast comes the little horn...it is said more than once and rev ch 17 states clearly that the White has a golden cup and is on 7 mountains...which is what Rome is known for...when you read it's a mystery the whore to people

Just look at the whores graveyards

 

[Timothy5378]

Catholics will never go to heaven if Christians don't reach them to be born again...we are at a low point today when the cults and even false religions are thought to have a path to heaven as if all ways work and all religions deserve their place...its the end times lie

We knew these groups were not saved before...so people just don't want to face the truth for its easy to just say everyone is saved then to go preach the gospel to people

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The center of the Muslim world and one of it’s most important sites, Mecca in Saudia Arabia isn’t built on seven hills but in the centre of them. The hills are Jabal abu Siba’ , Jabal Safa, Jabal Marwah, Jabal abu Milhah, Jabal abu Ma’aya, Jabal abu Hulayah, and Jabal abu Ghuzlan. You can explore the hills if you want, but if you are not Muslim you cannot enter the city.

See the whore

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

5 times a day people around the entire planet bow with face to the ground to a stone in Mecca.
And you're distracted by Rome.

 

[Timothy5378]

Where is the 4th beast Rome and where is the golden cup...islam is bad...but Some is where the Antichrist comes from...not Islam

The pope's have killed far more than Islam has to date...but if you want all your idols at the Vatican I'm sorry lol

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Catholics will never go to heaven if Christians don't reach them to be born again...we are at a low point today when the cults and even false religions are thought to have a path to heaven as if all ways work and all religions deserve their place...its the end times lie

We knew these groups were not saved before...so people just don't want to face the truth for its easy to just say everyone is saved then to go preach the gospel to people

You have a big problem with this. We may disagree with the Catholic way of mixing paganism in with their religious worship.
We may not like their clinging to idolatry. (Can you name a denomination that doesn't have an error though?)

But Catholics do not deny the deity of Christ. They do not deny God, Father, Son & Holy Spirit. They do not deny the virgin birth of Jesus. Catholics are NOT antichrist. There are times in history when The Catholic Church was the only part of the body of Christ upholding the core teachings of Christianity. You sir, cannot decide Catholics are unsaved.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Where is the 4th beast Rome and where is the golden cup...islam is bad...but Some is where the Antichrist comes from...not Islam

The pope's have killed far more than Islam has to date...but if you want all your idols at the Vatican I'm sorry lol

What happened to Rome historically? What happened to the Eastern leg of The Roman Empire? (Which outlasted the Western leg by 1000 years)


Islam has been drunk on the blood of the saints for 1400 years.

 

[Timothy5378]

More lies of Rome

Like your sinless virgin

Her virginity when she was married and had at least 7 children

Papal joblessness

The rosary and repetitious prayers

Absolution

Penance

Call no man father for you have One Father in heave

Breaking of second commandment

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

What happened to Rome historically? What happened to the Eastern leg of The Roman Empire? (Which outlasted the Western leg by 1000 years)


Islam has been drunk on the blood of the saints for 1400 years.

What happened to Rome historically? What happened to the Eastern leg of The Roman Empire? (Which outlasted the Western leg by 1000 years)


Islam has been drunk on the blood of the saints for 1400 years.

Why are you ignoring FACTS?
Catholics are not Christ deniers. To keep saying so is slander.
Islam was founded expressly to oppose Christ.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

Regardless of anyone's feelings towards Catholic or Islam or Hindu or Buddhist or Mormon or other pagan or heretical religions, these will not be the prophesied religion instituted by the man of sin. The book of Daniel describes the final false religion to deceive the masses in many ways, but notably says it is a strange thing they worship that their fathers knew not.

Daniel 11:36-39

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

 

[Timothy5378]

Catholics are no more born again with all there lies than the Mormons with theirs

It takes truth to set you free

And the Catholic church is only 1650 years old

The NT is not Catholic

Priests married in the Bible and now we have a New Covenant...not the raging death of Rome the great whore

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

More lies of Rome

Like your sinless virgin

Her virginity when she was married and had at least 7 children

Papal joblessness

The rosary and repetitious prayers

Absolution

Penance

Call no man father for you have One Father in heave

Breaking of second commandment

OLD NEWS.

You aren't talking to someone who knows nothing about Catholicism.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Regardless of anyone's feelings towards Catholic or Islam or Hindu or Buddhist or Mormon or other pagan or heretical religions, these will not be the prophesied religion instituted by the man of sin. The book of Daniel describes the final false religion to deceive the masses in many ways, but notably says it is a strange thing they worship that their fathers knew not.

Daniel 11:36-39

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

Yes. Islam completely fits.

 

[Timothy5378]

No...READ DANIEL...MEDIA PERSIA IS THE 2ND BEAST...THE 4TH IS ROME...THE LITTLE HORN COMES FROM ROME

IT TAKES A CATHOLIC TO LOVE WICKEDNESS LIKE ITS TRUTH