The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine

[Dave-L]

For that Jesus talking about kingdom of heaven, not 1000 years kingdom

No, he says the kingdom that is here now.

 

[Jackson123]

I'm still not sure about your question. The 1000 years are not the kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when the 1000 years end.

Ok let me ask you about this verse

Rev. 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Another version

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.


Verse 4 say the dead for Jesus come to live

Example Stephen was stone to dead for Jesus come back to live

Where he life now

 

[Jimbone]

I am a born again believer and while my heart may be joyous that the Holy Spirit lives inside, there is nothing at all joyous in the world. The peaceful part will come later when Jesus returns to set up His 1000 year reign as stated in the book of Revelation.

See thats were you are wrong and where this futurist view throws a wet towel on the fire of the gospel. No Jesus kingdom is NOW and I know being born into this time you think the world has always has the kinds of moral systems and outlooks, the thirst to learn about His creation, these things didn't exist before He changed everything. I know it's hard to see in the flesh, but EVERYTHING is being put under Him right now today. Like the mustard seed and the leaven through the measures of meal, this world is getting better and all nations are being brought under Him. See this is what has lit as fire under me like nothing else to boldly proclaim Jesus every time I am blessed with a conversation with someone. Our King is seated and His final marching orders are given. We are to serve our glorious Kind by going out and making disciples of ALL nations.

See the difference? One view has Jesus kind of waiting for this one last thing before He's really King all the way, and evil beating down the church with us trying to hold on until we're sucked out of our underwear to meet Him in the sky. The other has Jesus seated on His throne in all glory and victory right now today, with His army of transformed by His grace believers making disciples of all nations, in power.
The difference is evident, but I want to make clear I'm not saying the best sounding one wins, but I have to testify of the fire this view has fanned in me and the fruit that comes with can only be by His will.

I just wanted to share this because I just believe it to be truth and that's what matters. As far as Dave-L, I see him getting a lot of hate, and I'm not sure why 100%, and I have seen a few things I disagree with him on, but honestly I'm not sure exactly what His views are completely, but I actually agree with him on a lot here, but I just wanted to try to share a different perspective on eschatology and how/why it matters.

 

[Jimbone]

Ok let me ask you about this verse

Rev. 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Another version

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.


Verse 4 say the dead for Jesus come to live

Example Stephen was stone to dead for Jesus come back to live

Where he life now

Jesus is alive on His throne, ruling until all enemies have been made a footstool for His feet! Holla-Boo-Ya!!! You didn't know this?

 

[Jackson123]

Jesus is alive on His throne, ruling until all enemies have been made a footstool for His feet! Holla-Boo-Ya!!! You didn't know this?

I am asking about Stephen

Rev 20 say the people that die for the Lord Will alive and reign with Jesus for 1000 years, verse 4

Stephen die for the Lord did he rise and reign with Jesus now?

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

 

[Jackson123]

No, he says the kingdom that is here now.

He talk to jews religious leader 2000 years ago, not now

 

[Nehemiah6]

...this world is getting better and all nations are being brought under Him

Sounds like delusional fantasy.

Kindly study the Olivet Discourse to see what happens between the first and second comings of Christ. Then study Revelation chapters 6-18 to see what's up ahead. Then look around you and check out everything to see if the world is getting better or getting worse.

A good example of the world getting worse is the unbelievable attack on the Constitution, and governmental system of checks and balance of the United States, by the Left-Liberals. There has been nothing like the Trump Derangement Syndrome in the past, which is now leading up to a totally anarchistic system by the Democrats.

 

[Dave-L]

He talk to jews religious leader 2000 years ago, not now

Yes he did. But the kingdom is here now if you can discern it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes he did. But the kingdom is here now if you can discern it.

yep, Jesus is right there with his rod of Iron beating down these evil nations, peace has been restored. People are coming to jerusalem to worship the king, the lions peels with the lamb, the baby with the viper and no one is heart, all things are restored

then I woke up and saw reality

 

[Dave-L]

Ok let me ask you about this verse

Rev. 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Another version

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.


Verse 4 say the dead for Jesus come to live

Example Stephen was stone to dead for Jesus come back to live

Where he life now

The first resurrection is salvation. God resurrected you from the dead spiritually when you first believed. The second resurrection is physical at the end of the world.

 

[Jimbone]

yep, Jesus is right there with his rod of Iron beating down these evil nations, peace has been restored. People are coming to jerusalem to worship the king, the lions peels with the lamb, the baby with the viper and no one is heart, all things are restored

then I woke up and saw reality

Okay seriously without mocking or disrespect of any kind from me at all, how was the kingdom described to come? With redemption and judgement, and if I'm not mistaking you believe we are in the middle somewhere waiting for the judgement that was always spoken of by Jesus as being right here, coming soon, this generation, before you can make the rounds to every city, judgement coming to end the age. I my eyes it's so clear the very thing that Jesus said on the way to the cross, one of the only things He said at all was

“Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ 30 Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’ 31 For if they do these things when the wood is green, what will happen when it is dry?”

And history testifies that this was true when the Romans completely removed His temple, by His will in judgment just like He said forever ending this age bringing in the new, that age of grace, now like the mustard seed His kingdom will grow until all things are put under Him.

I know it's just my opinion and personal view, but this fits the text and every word so much better than any alternative I've ever heard, and again I know this is just a personal experience, but I have to testify that spiritually God has led me here and nothing has set me on fire for Him as these things revealed. I am also not here to fight or call names or anything like that and I hate seeing such harsh back and forth's sometimes, having have participated in far to many myself, so this is no finger pointing either. We are dealing with the truth of reality here, it's not like these are meaningless subjects to any of us. I have described a bit how I feel about it's importance, so this is why I have to proclaim these things as what I believe. I also understand others belief. My church teaches these pre-trib things too, and this is an exciting journey to me, and I am very much open to hear others views as well. I love this stuff, just only when we can just speak and listen (type and read) with the respect we are called to have even for our enemies. So I truly look forward to see what your opinion on this is.

 

[Jackson123]

The first resurrection is salvation. God resurrected you from the dead spiritually when you first believed. The second resurrection is physical at the end of the world.

My brother , that verse say people that beheaded for Jesus resurrect

I am never beheaded for Jesus.

 

[Dave-L]

My brother , that verse say people that beheaded for Jesus resurrect

I am never beheaded for Jesus.

Paul says we were dead in tresspasses and sins. The New Birth is the first resurrection.

 

[Jackson123]

Paul says we were dead in tresspasses and sins. The New Birth is the first resurrection.

Brother, what It mean, is that mean we do not sin anymore?

I was resurrect spiritually when u accept jesus

Yes I was die before, but the reason I was dead is not because i work for Jesus than muslim kill me

The reason I was dead is I work againts jesus, sin

That verse talking about Stephen that Being murder for Jesus. It is physical dead brother.

No body able to murder Stephen spirit

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Okay seriously without mocking or disrespect of any kind from me at all, how was the kingdom described to come? With redemption and judgement, and if I'm not mistaking you believe we are in the middle somewhere waiting for the judgement that was always spoken of by Jesus as being right here, coming soon, this generation, before you can make the rounds to every city, judgement coming to end the age. I my eyes it's so clear the very thing that Jesus said on the way to the cross, one of the only things He said at all was

“Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ 30 Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’ 31 For if they do these things when the wood is green, what will happen when it is dry?”

And history testifies that this was true when the Romans completely removed His temple, by His will in judgment just like He said forever ending this age bringing in the new, that age of grace, now like the mustard seed His kingdom will grow until all things are put under Him.

I know it's just my opinion and personal view, but this fits the text and every word so much better than any alternative I've ever heard, and again I know this is just a personal experience, but I have to testify that spiritually God has led me here and nothing has set me on fire for Him as these things revealed. I am also not here to fight or call names or anything like that and I hate seeing such harsh back and forth's sometimes, having have participated in far to many myself, so this is no finger pointing either. We are dealing with the truth of reality here, it's not like these are meaningless subjects to any of us. I have described a bit how I feel about it's importance, so this is why I have to proclaim these things as what I believe. I also understand others belief. My church teaches these pre-trib things too, and this is an exciting journey to me, and I am very much open to hear others views as well. I love this stuff, just only when we can just speak and listen (type and read) with the respect we are called to have even for our enemies. So I truly look forward to see what your opinion on this is.

i see what your saying

but look at my post you responded to.

seriously. tell me whivh of those events are accuring right now as we speak. as all of them are prophesied in the OT as occurrences in the age to come. or kingdom age.

 

[Jimbone]

i see what your saying

but look at my post you responded to.

seriously. tell me whivh of those events are accuring right now as we speak. as all of them are prophesied in the OT as occurrences in the age to come. or kingdom age.

I'm sorry I kind of strayed from my point here, it never says it happens all at once. I see the world getting better and better. The evil has always been there, it's just exposed now because of our tech, and that in itself is a good thing. I don't think it's all the way there of course, but it's moving that direction by His will and power. I also believe He told us through parable that this is how it would happen. I do not believe in a coming earthly kingdom He brings that we can point to and say "there it is", kind of like He said the kingdom wasn't.

 

[Jimbone]

i see what your saying

but look at my post you responded to.

seriously. tell me whivh of those events are accuring right now as we speak. as all of them are prophesied in the OT as occurrences in the age to come. or kingdom age.

I just thought this after a reread, if this is not the kingdom age, what age is it? Still the Mosaic age? And if not these then where is a third option even mentioned?

 

[watchman333]

The MILLENNIUM: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10840-millennium
By: Joseph Jacobs, A. Biram

Table of Contents

Messianic Period an Interregnum.

The reign of peace, lasting one thousand years, which will precede the Last Judgment and the future life. The concept has assumed especial importance in the Christian Church, where it is termed also “chiliasm,” designating the dominion of Jesus with the glorified and risen saints over the world for a thousand years. Chiliasm or the idea of the millennium is, nevertheless, older than the Christian Church; for the belief in a period of one thousand years at the end of time as a preliminary to the resurrection of the dead was held in Parseeism. This concept is expressed in Jewish literature in Enoch, xiii., xci. 12-17; in the apocalypse of the ten weeks, in Apoc. Baruch, xl. 3 (“And his dominion shall last forever, until the world doomed to destruction shall perish”); and in II Esdras vii. 28-29. Neither here nor in later Jewish literature is the duration of this Messianic reign fixed. It is clear, however, that the rule of the Messiah was considered as an interregnum, from the fact that in many passages, such as Pes. 68a, Ber. 34b, Sanh. 91b and 99a, Shab. 63a, 113b, and 141b, a distinction is made between and , although it must be noted that some regarded the Messianic rule as the period of the fulfilment of the prophecies, while others saw in it the time of the subjugation of the nations.



So it is no wonder it found its way into the first century Church comprised mainly of Jews.



But in time, the church condemned it as heresy. First, According to the Nicene Creed


We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of His Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made; Who, for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. And we believe in one holy catholic* and apostolic church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Sproul, R. C. (Ed.). (2015). The Reformation Study Bible: English Standard Version (2015 Edition) (p. 2389). Orlando, FL: Reformation Trust.

And condemned as heresy by the Council of Ephesus in 431 in two ways.



“In addition to its condemnation of Nestorianism, the council also condemned

Pelagianism, [2] and rejected premillennialism (Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Papias,

Tertullian, Origen, Lactantius) in favor of amillennialism (Clement of

Alexandria, Chrysostom, Jerome and Augustine of Hippo): "Augustine's

explanation became Church doctrine when it was adopted as the definitive

explanation of the millennium by the Council of Ephesus in 431."[35]



Secondly, “Canon 7 condemned any departure from the creed established by the First Council of Nicaea (325)” This affirmed Jesus “shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.” Thereby denouncing premillennialism and the doctrines leading up to and including Dispensationalism of the 1800s.



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My thinking is, the millennial day is the seventh and final day of this flesh age in which Yeshua will rule with "a rod of iron" and everyone will be "taught of the Lord". Then, after the "Great White Throne Judgement", the eternity will begin as our Beloved hands the kingdom over to our Heavenly Father.

 

[Dave-L]

My thinking is, the millennial day is the seventh and final day of this flesh age in which Yeshua will rule with "a rod of iron" and everyone will be "taught of the Lord". Then, after the "Great White Throne Judgement", the eternity will begin as our Beloved hands the kingdom over to our Heavenly Father.

My thinking is, the millennial day is the seventh and final day of this flesh age in which Yeshua will rule with "a rod of iron" and everyone will be "taught of the Lord". Then, after the "Great White Throne Judgement", the eternity will begin as our Beloved hands the kingdom over to our Heavenly Father.

Here's something to consider. If Jesus is God, he's been ruling the nations with a Rod of Iron all the time, even while they were crucifying him. The kingdom is here but we must learn how to recognize it based on scripture alone.

 

[Jackson123]

Here's something to consider. If Jesus is God, he's been ruling the nations with a Rod of Iron all the time, even while they were crucifying him. The kingdom is here but we must learn how to recognize it based on scripture alone.

With that Logic Jesus as a God has been reign since He say the Father give all power to me.

But there is specific time when she rule with the rod iron and Stephen with all his gang back to live and become governur, mayor etc for 1000 years