The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine
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Ok let me ask you about this verse
Rev. 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Another version
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Verse 4 say the dead for Jesus come to live
Example Stephen was stone to dead for Jesus come back to live
Where he life now
Rev. 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Another version
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Verse 4 say the dead for Jesus come to live
Example Stephen was stone to dead for Jesus come back to live
Where he life now
See thats were you are wrong and where this futurist view throws a wet towel on the fire of the gospel. No Jesus kingdom is NOW and I know being born into this time you think the world has always has the kinds of moral systems and outlooks, the thirst to learn about His creation, these things didn't exist before He changed everything. I know it's hard to see in the flesh, but EVERYTHING is being put under Him right now today. Like the mustard seed and the leaven through the measures of meal, this world is getting better and all nations are being brought under Him. See this is what has lit as fire under me like nothing else to boldly proclaim Jesus every time I am blessed with a conversation with someone. Our King is seated and His final marching orders are given. We are to serve our glorious Kind by going out and making disciples of ALL nations.
See the difference? One view has Jesus kind of waiting for this one last thing before He's really King all the way, and evil beating down the church with us trying to hold on until we're sucked out of our underwear to meet Him in the sky. The other has Jesus seated on His throne in all glory and victory right now today, with His army of transformed by His grace believers making disciples of all nations, in power.
The difference is evident, but I want to make clear I'm not saying the best sounding one wins, but I have to testify of the fire this view has fanned in me and the fruit that comes with can only be by His will.
I just wanted to share this because I just believe it to be truth and that's what matters. As far as Dave-L, I see him getting a lot of hate, and I'm not sure why 100%, and I have seen a few things I disagree with him on, but honestly I'm not sure exactly what His views are completely, but I actually agree with him on a lot here, but I just wanted to try to share a different perspective on eschatology and how/why it matters.
See the difference? One view has Jesus kind of waiting for this one last thing before He's really King all the way, and evil beating down the church with us trying to hold on until we're sucked out of our underwear to meet Him in the sky. The other has Jesus seated on His throne in all glory and victory right now today, with His army of transformed by His grace believers making disciples of all nations, in power.
The difference is evident, but I want to make clear I'm not saying the best sounding one wins, but I have to testify of the fire this view has fanned in me and the fruit that comes with can only be by His will.
I just wanted to share this because I just believe it to be truth and that's what matters. As far as Dave-L, I see him getting a lot of hate, and I'm not sure why 100%, and I have seen a few things I disagree with him on, but honestly I'm not sure exactly what His views are completely, but I actually agree with him on a lot here, but I just wanted to try to share a different perspective on eschatology and how/why it matters.
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I am asking about Stephen
Rev 20 say the people that die for the Lord Will alive and reign with Jesus for 1000 years, verse 4
Stephen die for the Lord did he rise and reign with Jesus now?
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Rev 20 say the people that die for the Lord Will alive and reign with Jesus for 1000 years, verse 4
Stephen die for the Lord did he rise and reign with Jesus now?
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Sounds like delusional fantasy.
Kindly study the Olivet Discourse to see what happens between the first and second comings of Christ. Then study Revelation chapters 6-18 to see what's up ahead. Then look around you and check out everything to see if the world is getting better or getting worse.
A good example of the world getting worse is the unbelievable attack on the Constitution, and governmental system of checks and balance of the United States, by the Left-Liberals. There has been nothing like the Trump Derangement Syndrome in the past, which is now leading up to a totally anarchistic system by the Democrats.
Kindly study the Olivet Discourse to see what happens between the first and second comings of Christ. Then study Revelation chapters 6-18 to see what's up ahead. Then look around you and check out everything to see if the world is getting better or getting worse.
A good example of the world getting worse is the unbelievable attack on the Constitution, and governmental system of checks and balance of the United States, by the Left-Liberals. There has been nothing like the Trump Derangement Syndrome in the past, which is now leading up to a totally anarchistic system by the Democrats.
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yep, Jesus is right there with his rod of Iron beating down these evil nations, peace has been restored. People are coming to jerusalem to worship the king, the lions peels with the lamb, the baby with the viper and no one is heart, all things are restored
then I woke up and saw reality
then I woke up and saw reality
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Okay seriously without mocking or disrespect of any kind from me at all, how was the kingdom described to come? With redemption and judgement, and if I'm not mistaking you believe we are in the middle somewhere waiting for the judgement that was always spoken of by Jesus as being right here, coming soon, this generation, before you can make the rounds to every city, judgement coming to end the age. I my eyes it's so clear the very thing that Jesus said on the way to the cross, one of the only things He said at all was
“Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ 30 Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’ 31 For if they do these things when the wood is green, what will happen when it is dry?”
And history testifies that this was true when the Romans completely removed His temple, by His will in judgment just like He said forever ending this age bringing in the new, that age of grace, now like the mustard seed His kingdom will grow until all things are put under Him.
I know it's just my opinion and personal view, but this fits the text and every word so much better than any alternative I've ever heard, and again I know this is just a personal experience, but I have to testify that spiritually God has led me here and nothing has set me on fire for Him as these things revealed. I am also not here to fight or call names or anything like that and I hate seeing such harsh back and forth's sometimes, having have participated in far to many myself, so this is no finger pointing either. We are dealing with the truth of reality here, it's not like these are meaningless subjects to any of us. I have described a bit how I feel about it's importance, so this is why I have to proclaim these things as what I believe. I also understand others belief. My church teaches these pre-trib things too, and this is an exciting journey to me, and I am very much open to hear others views as well. I love this stuff, just only when we can just speak and listen (type and read) with the respect we are called to have even for our enemies. So I truly look forward to see what your opinion on this is.
“Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For behold, the days are coming when they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren and the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ 30 Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’ 31 For if they do these things when the wood is green, what will happen when it is dry?”
And history testifies that this was true when the Romans completely removed His temple, by His will in judgment just like He said forever ending this age bringing in the new, that age of grace, now like the mustard seed His kingdom will grow until all things are put under Him.
I know it's just my opinion and personal view, but this fits the text and every word so much better than any alternative I've ever heard, and again I know this is just a personal experience, but I have to testify that spiritually God has led me here and nothing has set me on fire for Him as these things revealed. I am also not here to fight or call names or anything like that and I hate seeing such harsh back and forth's sometimes, having have participated in far to many myself, so this is no finger pointing either. We are dealing with the truth of reality here, it's not like these are meaningless subjects to any of us. I have described a bit how I feel about it's importance, so this is why I have to proclaim these things as what I believe. I also understand others belief. My church teaches these pre-trib things too, and this is an exciting journey to me, and I am very much open to hear others views as well. I love this stuff, just only when we can just speak and listen (type and read) with the respect we are called to have even for our enemies. So I truly look forward to see what your opinion on this is.
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Brother, what It mean, is that mean we do not sin anymore?
I was resurrect spiritually when u accept jesus
Yes I was die before, but the reason I was dead is not because i work for Jesus than muslim kill me
The reason I was dead is I work againts jesus, sin
That verse talking about Stephen that Being murder for Jesus. It is physical dead brother.
No body able to murder Stephen spirit
I was resurrect spiritually when u accept jesus
Yes I was die before, but the reason I was dead is not because i work for Jesus than muslim kill me
The reason I was dead is I work againts jesus, sin
That verse talking about Stephen that Being murder for Jesus. It is physical dead brother.
No body able to murder Stephen spirit
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I'm sorry I kind of strayed from my point here, it never says it happens all at once. I see the world getting better and better. The evil has always been there, it's just exposed now because of our tech, and that in itself is a good thing. I don't think it's all the way there of course, but it's moving that direction by His will and power. I also believe He told us through parable that this is how it would happen. I do not believe in a coming earthly kingdom He brings that we can point to and say "there it is", kind of like He said the kingdom wasn't.
My thinking is, the millennial day is the seventh and final day of this flesh age in which Yeshua will rule with "a rod of iron" and everyone will be "taught of the Lord". Then, after the "Great White Throne Judgement", the eternity will begin as our Beloved hands the kingdom over to our Heavenly Father.