What verse or verses is that stated and exactly what is 'it' referring to? The problem is in the interpretation and your apparent disregard to the book of Revelation and other prophesies in both the Old and New Testament in regards to end-time events. Just because I may not agree with you in some areas of the Word of God does not mean that I have not been born again or that my perception based on my understanding is heretic in nature. By the same token, that does not make you a heretic either or your salvation to come into question.
The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine
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“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3 (KJV 1900)
Agreed, along with their manners toward one another, and the method they use to speak to brothers. Many of us don't see our own "idiocy", right? we could all continue to grow and speak without insults. I think so anyway.
My bro, Jesus Come to earth to die for human salvation. People was expecting a King that free them from physical pressure by Rome. In that context Jesus refuse.not in milenium context.
The Jews rejected him because his Kingdom was spiritual and there's was physical.
I am still waiting for you to tell me what Joel 3 and Zechariah 14 mean. In the spiritual realm, of course.
They apply to the Church who is Biblical Israel. So you must interpret them spiritually. Why? because the kingdom is spiritual. Try reading them in this way and see if they make sense to you.
Rev 20 say in the 1000 years kingdom
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
You say we are in the 1000 years kngdom
Did you ever see people that was die because of gospel, like Stephen, or some people in China, rise from the death and reigned till end time? Show me where.
Also It say people that refuse the mark of the beast
When the mark of the beast Being force ?
You need to start at the beginning and learn about the Kingdom from Jesus in the gospels. Then try to understand Revelation.
https://www.studylight.org/commentary/revelation/8-7.html
Take a look at some of these explanations. This is a great fear I have for bible interpreters. The verse is plain and easy to understand, all green grass will be burnt up and a third of the trees. Instead of just taking this at face value, the vast majority of these commentators seek to complicate the issue by saying nothing means what it says and we are left to their mercy to interpret it for us, and they do not all agree.
Take a look at some of these explanations. This is a great fear I have for bible interpreters. The verse is plain and easy to understand, all green grass will be burnt up and a third of the trees. Instead of just taking this at face value, the vast majority of these commentators seek to complicate the issue by saying nothing means what it says and we are left to their mercy to interpret it for us, and they do not all agree.
You have told me that, but you still have not told me what they DO mean. Just as is usually the case with amillennialists, you can tell me what it does NOT mean and you can tell me I am wrong or carnal, but you cannot tell me what it DOES mean and that is very frustrating to deal with.
I believe they are spiritual as is, if I try to make them fit the Church, then I have the Church as backslid people who God gathers nations to punish them and goes on to talk about places in Jerusalem while most of the Church is actually outside of Jerusalem. We know this is not the heavenly Jerusalem either for it mentions places we know on this earth. This has never happened in history either. The only option is: It will happen in the future.
I am waiting for your interpretation. We know its the Church in your opinion and its a spiritual kingdom, now tell us what Zechariah 14 and/or Joel 3 means. As the professional debaters like to say, "exegete"
I need to know what is your answer oN my wuestion
Let me repeat my question
Rev 20 say the people that beheaded for the gospel Will rise from the death and reign with jesus for 1000 years.
And you say that 1000 years is now
Do you ever meet people that rise from the dead and reign with Jesus now?
It must be Stephen and If you say end of 1000 years not come yet, It mean Stephen still alive today
Not only Stephen every body that die for Christ must be rise since gospel Being preach and they are reign with Jesus now
Where are there?
18 What a day that will be!
(14:1–21)
Zechariah brings his prophecy to a close by continuing to use the phrase ‘in that day’. It appears seven times in this last chapter. That phrase, as we have been noting, refers to the gospel age—the era that would begin with the first coming of Christ and conclude in eternity. The gospel day will become the eternal day! That eternal day is the primary focus of the prophet in this chapter. The prophet seizes first one figure and then another to convey something of the glory that awaits the people of God.
Ellsworth, R. (2010). Opening Up Zechariah (p. 132). Leominster: Day One Publications.
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Joel 3? It ties in with Acts 2 which places it in that time frame. The Church is Israel so you need to read it accordingly.
Can you see this in history? How about China today? It's all part of Revelation's judgements.
Jesus says only the born again can see the Kingdom. The unbelieving Pharisees seek the physical kingdom.
Let me make It simple
You say 1000 years kingdom has been happen since the gospel Being preach, and still happen now am i
correct?
rev 20 say
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
This what happen in 1000 kingdom according to rev 20
Verse 4 soul from beheaded people that die for witnesesing the gospel live and reign with Jesus
For Example Stephen was murder for Jesus, he Will reign with Jesus for 1000 years
And you say 1000 years kingdom is now
Then where is Stephen? Did he back to live?
I'm still not sure about your question. The 1000 years are not the kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when the 1000 years end.