Can One’s Salvation Be Given Up?
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Geesh......
A son by birth WILL ALWAYS be a SON by BIRTH..........
CAN my biological SON give up being my BIOLOGICAL SON.......
See how ignorant it is to believe that ONE can GIVE UP being a CHILD BY BIRTH......
WE are BORN AGAIN spiritually FROM ABOVE by the HOLY SPIRIT.....it is not a FREAKING marble to be given away in a game of marbles......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A son by birth WILL ALWAYS be a SON by BIRTH..........
CAN my biological SON give up being my BIOLOGICAL SON.......
See how ignorant it is to believe that ONE can GIVE UP being a CHILD BY BIRTH......
WE are BORN AGAIN spiritually FROM ABOVE by the HOLY SPIRIT.....it is not a FREAKING marble to be given away in a game of marbles......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thank you for posting. Also, why come to a discussion with a sense of hostility? If you believe that I am wrong, state so as to why and then present the evidence for that. Being rude is not a way to open a friendly discourse.
I did....and ignorant is not a bad or hostile word.........
? --->Would you have told this to JESUS when he called the Pharisees blind leaders of the blind or coffins filled with the bones of dead men?
Or maybe when he made a whip and drove the money changers from the temple?
Or maybe Elijah when he mocked and ridiculed the priests of Baal?
I did not mean to be offensive......I just stand amazed and how some seem to chunk a simple cursory honest evaluation of basic facts on this site......
Do you have children? if so....go look at them....can they in any way, shape or form change being your biological child?
NO MATTER what they do, say, how they act, and even if they died today they WILL ALWAYS be your child by birth...........
I apologise if I have offended you by my replies in your thread.........
The disciples before the cross was preaching the gospel of grace? Can you post the verses please?
I’m not offended. I gave scripture that gives credence to why I think this is very possible. Say a man for years is under Gods grace and than for whatever backslides. He not only backslides but becomes wicked. Now for years he lives unrepentant of these things and ignores God warnings to turn away from them. If he all of a sudden dies in a car accident, would you say his salvation is still intact?
I would say healing the sick and casting out demons is a pretty good example of grace. I’m not understanding your theology.
My beliefs come from what I see as libertarian free will within scripture. Also my beliefs do not line up with a calvinist view of Preserverance of the Saints. Anything that restricts or is absent of free will has in my experience theological contradictions, problems explaining morality, problems explaining evil, and problems explaining sin accountability.
I see just like you that many scriptures depend on the faith of the believers. And many scriptures have warnings on protecting ones faith from evil, sin, and false teachers.
All scripture was written for believers. Not all scripture is written to believers.
When dissecting any verse of scripture. Ask yourself, of whom, to whom, with what words, what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what is written before and what follows any single verse context.
^^^Myles Coverdale, Bible theologian/translator^^^
God doesn't change (Heb 13:8). However He does change the way He deals with mankind. Noah, Abraham, the pre-resurrection Nation Israel & the post-resurrection Body of Christ/Church
Matt 5:18 So, ask: Who is writing? Matthew
Who’s he speaking to? Jews under the law. Jesus is sent to minister to the Jew only.
Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
(NOTE: God the Son made under the law)
Matthew 15:24 Jesus tells the Canaanite woman, "I am only sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".
(NOTE: Jesus say's He's only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel )
Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, """Go not into the way of the Gentiles""" and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
(NOTE: Jesus tells the 12 DON'T go to Gentiles or Samaritans. BTW, Samaritans were Jews that had intermarried. And were seen as godless & unclean by other Jews. They worshiped the same YHVH as all Jews did. They accepted Torah only, 1st 5 books of the Bible. Samaritans even had their own temple on Mt Gerazim. (Jn 4:20).)
Rom 15:8 Now I say that """Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision""" for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
(NOTE: Who was Jesus a minister of? The CIRCUMCISION/JEWS!)
Acts 10:28 Peter said unto them, Ye know how that it is an """unlawful""" thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
(NOTE: Under the law, Jews couldn't keep company with gentiles. Jews never broke the law)
Gentiles WERE NOT part of Jesus earthly in the flesh ministry.
After Jesus sin redemptive payment & resurrection. The Risen Lord picks & sends Paul to gentiles.
Acts 26:
Verse 15 The RISEN Lord reveals Himself to Saul/Paul
Verse 16 Paul is Chosen to be a minister & eye witness
Verse 17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
I believe that a lot of people become complacent with their faith. This why I have such issues with so called Hyper-Grace Pastors. I believe there is a specific reason why we as Believers are warned against falling away. I think when Jesus gave a stern warning to the Church of Laodicea, he wasn't using a euphemism.
Pretty simple. Is the gospel of the kingdom (the message the disciples taught before the cross only to the Jews) the same as the gospel of the grace of God (the message of the cross)?
Again, you’re being too vague. Are you of the Pauline doctrine of Christianity? I need to know were you stand before I can give a proper answer.
It’s a pretty simple question. Were they preaching the same gospel message? I believe the entirety of the gospel of grace and hoe to live in that grace was given to Paul.
Is the gospel of the kingdom the same as the gospel of the grace of God?
Yes, I believe it was. Now tell me how I am wrong from your Pauline theological view.
I already posted how the disciples had no clue about the d,b,r of Jesus before the cross as they preached the gospel of the kingdom. The d,b,r is the gospel of grace that Paul taught.
Also, let’s compare:
Matthew 24 tells us that when the gospel of the kingdom is preached to all the world the end will come. Yet, the gospel of grace, the gospel Paul taught, has been preached in all the world. Something gives...has the end come?
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Colossians 1:
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
The Gospel of the Kingdom required all to obey the Law of Moses (Acts 21:20) and was forbidden to be preached to the Gentiles
(Matthew 10:5) .
Paul's gospel (2 Timothy 2:8, Romans 2:16) was open to the Gentiles and everyone became dead to the Law. Romans 7:4
That was the most significant difference that required a council to be specifically set up to decide. (Acts 15, Galatians 2)
In all honesty I think came up this with on your own. You’re throwing out bits of scripture, but you’re not elaborating on way. Somehow this makes sense to you, but I have no idea why. Please provide a well respected and learned Pastor, Theologian, or Apologetic that agrees with this.
God chastens which includes death, loss of reward, disease, and being made to wander the wilderness.....HE does not cast away or revoke that which is irrevocable!