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"...no one comes to the Father but by me".

Question:
Why do we have to "go" to the Father if Jesus is our God and Father as some claim based on Isa 8:6?
Why we must go through Jesus and not through the H.S.?
Shouldn't we go to "God" the H.S.?
 

bojack

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I believe this guy is a troll..

I could be wrong but I think he has been shown more than enough proof.🤦‍♂️

He is still using a dishonest approach... If you disagree with his false understanding then he will claim you're against God...
If you post a verse that proves his last point wrong he just postes numbers and names of chapters with no context or substance and ignores the verse in question....
Really?

Is that why you keep silent about post 1091 and 1103?
 

Aerials1978

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"...no one comes to the Father but by me".

Question:
Why do we have to "go" to the Father if Jesus is our God and Father as some claim based on Isa 8:6?
Why we must go through Jesus and not through the H.S.?
Shouldn't we go to "God" the H.S.?
Is that all you are able to say?
Sorry, this has become boring. I was hoping that you would have take a new approach instead of being repetitive. Unfortunately this is not the case.
 

bojack

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"...no one comes to the Father but by me".

Question:
Why do we have to "go" to the Father if Jesus is our God and Father as some claim based on Isa 8:6?
Why we must go through Jesus and not through the H.S.?
Shouldn't we go to "God" the H.S.?
If we think ''same one God'' when we think/say Jesus I don't think it makes a difference except that we bring honor to the Father as head ..
 
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58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jesus, we are told, was foretold by every prophet beginning with Ge 3 while Abraham came was mentioned later.

1. Do you mean the Word of God like Isa 55:11. As the matter of fact, Jesus is never denoted by "the Word". God, we are told, sent His Word to Israel through Jesus.

2. God "developed" the plan of salvation and foretold it to us.

3. This statement is very important. John, who had to refer to prophets like 2Sam 7:12, attributes all things to God.

We are told that God begat Jesus certain day therefore he has the beginning alike God who has no beginning.

Besides, we are told in hundreds of fool-proof texts that the Father is the only true God, our only one God.
 
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Sorry, this has become boring. I was hoping that you would have take a new approach instead of being repetitive. Unfortunately this is not the case.
I keep pointing and quoting from the God's Word. Unfortunately you find it boring.
 
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If we think ''same one God'' when we think/say Jesus I don't think it makes a difference except that we bring honor to the Father as head ..
We aren't suppose to "think" but say it exactly as it is written.

There exist no fool-proof text stating contrary to hundreds whereby we are told directly that the Father is the only true God or that He is credited with planning and execution of all things including preparation of the sacrificial Lamb.
 

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We aren't suppose to "think" but say it exactly as it is written.

There exist no fool-proof text stating contrary to hundreds whereby we are told directly that the Father is the only true God or that He is credited with planning and execution of all things including preparation of the sacrificial Lamb.
If I say God I'm thinking Jesus ..
 
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Please read Heb 1:5 carefully. "This day I have begotten thee" - clear beginning but God has no beginning.

"I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son". A promise of the future not current (if Jesus was present prior to the "this day") relationship.

Ok. . begoten to do what? Use the temporal corrupted flesh as a one time outward demonstration to the world to represent the unseen work of the father and the Son?

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Hebrew1: 5

Moses ? Abel? David or Jesus the Son of man?

Which other human messenger as a angel as the sons of man did he call the Son of God in respect to the unseen Spirit who remains as our high Priest continually. ?

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.Hebrew7: 3

We must be careful when using the phrases "Son of Man" and the "Son of God" . The Spirit of Christ has a signified a difference.

Satan would try and make it all one in the same, as if God was a man as us. .
 

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We aren't suppose to "think" but say it exactly as it is written.

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 
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Proof text/s that "God in the flesh and man", please
Yes, it is clear eternal God is not a man as us .He is eternal Spirit like no other.

Job under the influence of prophecy says it as below.

For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both. Job 9: 32-33

A daysman is simply the Good Master. The one infallible interpreter, teacher or called Rabbi. No man can serve two Masters. (1) the flesh what the eyes see the temporal and (2) the Spirit the revealer of the unseen eternal .

That honor that belongs to "one" the Father not seen . It represents the holy place unseen. The place of the hidden glory of God as our one source or storeroom of a living faith (not of our own selves.).

Satan as the father of lies, as a lying spirit of error without form. . . used men to accuse the Son of man, Jesus as a being a "daysman" or "Good Master". Jesus who is used to represent the work of the father and Son. The Son of man Jesus dared not to stand in the holy place called the "abomination of desolation" but rather in submission humbled himself to the unseen father and said...I would offer as it would seem from below.

We must be careful on how we hear what the Spirit says to us . I would say many "seed snatchers" on the increase picking up speed..

And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. Luke 18;18-19

According to Mathew 23. We are to neither call any man on earth Good Master just as in the same way call no man on earth Father .

The Son of man, Jesus learned the same way as us "hearing the Father" understanding by faith (the unseen)
not after what the eyes see the temporal, corrupted flesh . That same flesh of Jesus (John 6) that he declared profits for nothing zero.
 

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"...no one comes to the Father but by me".

Question:
Why do we have to "go" to the Father if Jesus is our God and Father as some claim based on Isa 8:6?
Why we must go through Jesus and not through the H.S.?
Shouldn't we go to "God" the H.S.?
That's an easy one... only in Christ are our sins covered and forgiven.
 
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" and the Word was God"

Can you read and understand this? Will you continue to refute all of the scriptures which state that Jesus is God?

Only God who alone is Holy could pay the penalty for mankind's sins. By saying that Jesus is not God, you are saying that He is a created being, like an angel.

And "Nope. Jn 1: doesn't state that Jesus is God." is not a convincing answer. Does the verse not state that in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God? We know that one of the titles of Jesus is that He is the Word of God. Thomas rightly claimed, "my Lord and my God" referring to Jesus. The Jews picked up stones to stone Him because He claimed to be God. It is very important that you understand this and believe it.
It would seem that Jerzy is sharing that God is not a man. Not that God, Jehovah, I AM is not the one savior?

Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song; he "also is" become my salvation.

The word Jehovah is not without the attribute as savior.. . again "also is" In that way there is no power in the letter of the name. Like Jehovah, but what meaning God has applied to it. . We are not to add to or take away from the meaning of one word according to Deuteronomy 4:3. Changing the meaning one word could make as it is written, Gods word, without effect and cause division .

Waiting 400 years to multiply to approx. 2 million By the mighty hand of our Savior Jehovah a whole new nation founded on Abraham used to represent the unseen Holy Father of all nations .It was used to represent salvation the gospel. The sabbath rest we have with him . He appeared to Abraham as God Almighty . Unlike the appearance unto Moses and other believers in the mix of 2 million a whole nation.

And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them. And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers .Exodus 6 2-4


Jesus as the Son of God not seen is God. The Son of man Jesus was used to demonstrate what a unseen eternal reveals the gospel mixing faith in what we do see or hear. .

The method of the antichrists (many) depends on a misunderstanding of the work of the father and Son, as the promised outward demonstration to the world (Isaiah 53) .It would be the unseen eternal as a our focus.

the demonstration to mankind was rejected because men did not mix faith in what they saw or heard. The outward Jew was used to represent unconverted mankind that rejected the demonstration .Then in affect a person rejects was it reveals the unseen Father and the Son .The Son of God our high priest continually as the lamb slain from the foundation. The six days he did work. The father and Him or one.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is "antichrist", that denieth the Father and the Son.

Call no man on earth father. Remember the corrupted flesh of the Son of man. . Jesus profits for nothing. It is the spiritual unseen that alone could.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, "yet now "henceforth know we him no more.
 

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It would seem that Jerzy is sharing that God is not a man. Not that God, Jehovah, I AM is not the one savior?
You are mistaken.

Jerzy is arguing that Jesus is not God. There's a difference.
 
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They are one and the same.
The one seen the temporal was used as a single demonstration of the real in which the temporal shadow pointed to back to . Some called faithless did know Christ after the flesh the temporal corrupted .

The foundation the 6 days God did work out his plan of faith then the lamb of God in respect to the unseen Son of God was slain from that foundation. We are not to know Christ after what the eyes see. The one time demonstration is over. In that way there must be a difference or men will believe God is a man as us.

For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.Job9:32-33

The 20/20 prescription below must be applied if we desire to see the things hidden the gospel understanding from natural faith less mankind

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The prescription of 4:18 is clarified in usage the next chapter.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

The temporal law of 2 Corithians 4:18 apllies to the Son of man seen. A 33 year window of opportunity was changed when the Son of man, Jesus disappeared out of sight .Blasphamy against our unseen God is not forgivable in this geaneration of Adam, or in the new generation of new creatures .

Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come

There are many references that show the difference between the shadow. . and the sustance of our faith. Using the Son of man the temporal shadow and the Son of God the eternal substance of our faith .