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Jerzy said:
God has clearly stated what He means. Please read Jn 12:47-50.
God doesn't need me or anyone else "to state what those verses mean".

I am pointing and quoting from the Word of God. Therefore it isn't me but God you consider "pretty obnoxious".

It is so funny. You want me to prove that your theology is false. I pointed/quoted Jesus himself, besides many fool-proof texts (see post 1091) stating contrary to your theology.

On the other hand, you neither stated why those texts should be rejected nor shown at least one fool-proof text stating that Jesus was/is/will be God.
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Explain the passages. Obviously none of us have this keen insight as you do.
 
Melach said:
every great man of God believed in the trinity so we are in good company. but if you believe Jesus is just a regular man. why is He called Lord why is all creation bowing down to Him in revelation? sounds like idolatry to bow to a regular man.

if Jesus was a regular man i would never say Jesus help me. thats useless, i can just go ask my neighbor who is also a regular guy. but because Jesus is the son of God, son of man, the Alpha and Omega the creator thats why i can say Jesus help me and its worth something.
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Because of: "all power is given to me". If he was God wouldn't need to be given power.
 
garee said:
There are only two kinds of unseen messengers as angels . Spirits as sons of God that bring the gospel truth to help strengthen the believer. Like that the father sent to the Son of man, Jesus .

Luke 22:43And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

Or those who left their first place of habitation and turn those truths upside down.

God also sends human messenger as sons of God (angels) that bring the gospel truth. Jesus when he was here as the Chief messenger and our High Priest and lead apostle .Therefore answering the query in Hebrew 1. Which angel is like God. . not is God? God has no beginning of days or end of Spirit life.

The answer "no man". .God is not a man as us. Jesus as a messenger is called Michael the ark angel . The name again applying as Michael. "Who is like God?" No man

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
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Please read Heb 1:5 carefully. "This day I have begotten thee" - clear beginning but God has no beginning.

"I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son". A promise of the future not current (if Jesus was present prior to the "this day") relationship.
 
Jerzy said:
Proof text/s that "God in the flesh and man", please
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easy

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
 
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Jerzy said:
Proof text/s that "God in the flesh and man", please
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Jerzy said:
Please read Heb 1:5 carefully. "This day I have begotten thee" - clear beginning but God has no beginning.

"I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son". A promise of the future not current (if Jesus was present prior to the "this day") relationship.
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Why trust that verse?
 
Melach said:
easy

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
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Please see the context of 1Ti 1:1-2, 2:5. Also consider texts like Ac 2:22 or Jn 12:47-50
 
Jerzy said:
It isn't true, Aerials. You simply can't accept the Truth.

I encourage you to try.

It is in your best interest.
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Another non-answer. I hope you’re getting your entertainment value out of all this because I sure am. It’s funny and sad at the same time.
 
Aerials1978 said:
Another non-answer. I hope you’re getting your entertainment value out of all this because I sure am. It’s funny and sad at the same time.
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Do you also have a problem with reading this clear word of God delivered to us through Jesus in Jn 12:47-50?
 
Jerzy said:
Do you also have a problem with reading this clear word of God delivered to us through Jesus in Jn 12:47-50?
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I don’t have a problem. I just want to see what the next non-sensical post will be. I actually like you. You make me laugh.
 
garee said:
Jesus like Joshua simply means Savior. It does not necessarily denote one seen but can be used both ways.. .Jehovah The I AM is savior

Because God is not a man as us. The true God remains without form . A God that can only be sought after by a exclusive faith of Christ as it is written . That it in as it is written is the law and the prophets .(sola scriptura) The two witnesses that God has spoken .

Unseen typified as the father. . . a immutable attribute of God . Working with the Son of God another attribute also not seen, represented by the temporal not seen as the Son of man, Jesus.

This was for a one time outward demonstration of the lamb of God slain from the foundation. The 6 days God did work. . . resting as our Sabbath on the 7th.
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So no text stating that God is Trinity or that Jesus is God.
 
Aerials1978 said:
I don’t have a problem. I just want to see what the next non-sensical post will be. I actually like you. You make me laugh.
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Do you considr Jn 12:47-50 "non-sensical"?

Why?

Isn't because it is one of those passages clearly contradicting your theology?
 
Jerzy said:
Nop. Jn 1: doesn't state that Jesus is God.

John refers to the Word of God like Isa 55:11, Ps33:6-9 or particularly to 2Sam 7:12
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" and the Word was God"

Can you read and understand this? Will you continue to refute all of the scriptures which state that Jesus is God?

Only God who alone is Holy could pay the penalty for mankind's sins. By saying that Jesus is not God, you are saying that He is a created being, like an angel.

And "Nope. Jn 1: doesn't state that Jesus is God." is not a convincing answer. Does the verse not state that in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God? We know that one of the titles of Jesus is that He is the Word of God. Thomas rightly claimed, "my Lord and my God" referring to Jesus. The Jews picked up stones to stone Him because He claimed to be God. It is very important that you understand this and believe it.
 
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I believe this guy is a troll..

I could be wrong but I think he has been shown more than enough proof.🤦‍♂️

He is still using a dishonest approach... If you disagree with his false understanding then he will claim you're against God...
If you post a verse that proves his last point wrong he just postes numbers and names of chapters with no context or substance and ignores the verse in question....
 
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