Not By Works

[Discern]

Jesus answers this.

And Jesus does not contradict 1 John 1:8. Correct

John said if a person claims to have no sin, he is a liar. Is that judging or stating a fact?

John says if we claim to have fellowship with Him and walk in darkness, we lie. Is that judging or stating a fact?

John said whoever practices sin is of the devil. Judging or stating a fact?

Not judging, but stating facts in ALL cases. So the accusation that I am judging has no truth to it. . I am not judging anyone. No ones name has been dropped here

 

[OneOfHis]

One of His...So you red exxed me because I am wrong to say that all sin proceeds from the heart?

actions are a reflection of heart condition.

What do we examine to see if we are walking in truth? Our heart. And what is the clearest indication of what is in our heart? Feelings? NO, actions. A regenerate person acts like a regenerate person. Not all the time, not universally, but the course of his life is heading in a particular direction, though he may get off the path at times, he does not stay off the path.

Are you suggesting if one sins, they can't be saved because their actions show the heart and a new heart is incapable of sin?


Or are you twisting the issue?


The matter I was speaking of in regards to the heart, is how sin effects God's children who do fail.


You are sounding more and more double minded discern.



Have you ever once posted on CC with a different username or account?

 

[Lightskin]

And Jesus does not contradict 1 John 1:8. Correct

John said if a person claims to have no sin, he is a liar. Is that judging or stating a fact?

John says if we claim to have fellowship with Him and walk in darkness, we lie. Is that judging or stating a fact?

John said whoever practices sin is of the devil. Judging or stating a fact?

Not judging, but stating facts in ALL cases. So the accusation that I am judging has no truth to it. . I am not judging anyone. No ones name has been dropped here

I’ve often wondered about the typical mafia hit man who is so adherent to faith in God and yet murders people upon orders from within the mafia. Where does such a man stand with God? Can someone who lives that lifestyle truly have faith in God?

 

[OneOfHis]

Every man sins. But we are talking about something deliberate, habitual, and ONGOING.

A person that CHOOSES to CONTINUE in a bad path is not living in the 1 John 3:2-3 principle, is he?

And the rest of 1 John 3 indicates that if such a pattern is ONGOING and habitual, that person likely has never been saved.

Read the rest of 1 John 3

I have read every word in the bible many times... cool suggestion though

you still seem to twist things

You believe a son of God cant choose to sin?


Are you suggesting one who chooses to sin for an unspecified time frame can in no way be born again?

Does the Bible say that "out of the heart proceed adulteries, fornications, murders, evil thoughts, etc"

Do you trust that part of the Bible.

Playing your word games again, maybe you should read ezekiel?

 

[Discern]

John 3:16 and Romans 10:9-10 destroys your protests. See how it works?

What protests of mine do those verses cancel out?

 

[Discern]

I have read every word in the bible many times... cool suggestion though

you still seem to twist things

You believe a son of God cant choose to sin?


Are you suggesting one who chooses to sin for an unspecified time frame can in no way be born again?




Playing your word games again, maybe you should read ezekiel?

I do not say a child of God cannot chose to sin. But I do believe what 1 John 3 and other passages say. What does 1 John 3:1-10 say?

 

[Discern]

I have read every word in the bible many times... cool suggestion though

you still seem to twist things

You believe a son of God cant choose to sin?


Are you suggesting one who chooses to sin for an unspecified time frame can in no way be born again?




Playing your word games again, maybe you should read ezekiel?

Btw, I thought you agreed with my answer yesterday. Are you flip flopping?

 

[Discern]

I’ve often wondered about the typical mafia hit man who is so adherent to faith in God and yet murders people upon orders from within the mafia. Where does such a man stand with God? Can someone who lives that lifestyle truly have faith in God?

Can they? You tell me. After all, it’s just one sin, right? And per some, it would just be a besetting sin, and only one...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Then you’re guilty of blasphemy.

No true believer would do this
hypotheticals are faulty

 

[OneOfHis]

I’ve often wondered about the typical mafia hit man who is so adherent to faith in God and yet murders people upon orders from within the mafia. Where does such a man stand with God? Can someone who lives that lifestyle truly have faith in God?

God knows.

I'd say "can" is possible but highly unlikely.


Look at what God has done in you....



I used to be bitter, I could go off if someone gave me a look I didn't like.... These days I'm soft.... I would've mistook that for "weak" if I look at the me in unbelief...

But now even if for a split second I'm angered by much more severe acts against me, there isn't a moment I'd wish harm to someone....


Anger then turns into self examination according to the quickened spirit in me... which leads to trying to do MY best and forgiving the offense....


If I had a family member in Christ who wasn't showing the same growth that is one thing...


What usually makes me 90% sure that someone is to be avoided and not treated as family but treated as a bad example would be someone who calls evil good and good evil.... if someone JUSTIFIES what God hates as acceptable and not to be questioned... is when I have trouble thinking God is working in them....


Still wont play judge or assume based on imaginary what ifs and questions or out of context verses...

 

[OneOfHis]

Btw, I thought you agreed with my answer yesterday. Are you flip flopping?

Nah but accepting your answer as possible didn't change my answer 1%.

You were the one trying to make a yes or no question to an imaginary person without major details then trying to minimize the answers of others to fit your box.

 

[Discern]

God knows.

I'd say "can" is possible but highly unlikely.


Look at what God has done in you....



I used to be bitter, I could go off if someone gave me a look I didn't like.... These days I'm soft.... I would've mistook that for "weak" if I look at the me in unbelief...

But now even if for a split second I'm angered by much more severe acts against me, there isn't a moment I'd wish harm to someone....


Anger then turns into self examination according to the quickened spirit in me... which leads to trying to do MY best and forgiving the offense....


If I had a family member in Christ who wasn't showing the same growth that is one thing...


What usually makes me 90% sure that someone is to be avoided and not treated as family but treated as a bad example would be someone who calls evil good and good evil.... if someone JUSTIFIES what God hates as acceptable and not to be questioned... is when I have trouble thinking God is working in them....


Still wont play judge or assume based on imaginary what ifs and questions or out of context verses...

So it’s possible that person was never saved. Exactly what I said

 

[Discern]

Nah but accepting your answer as possible didn't change my answer 1%.

You were the one trying to make a yes or no question to an imaginary person without major details then trying to minimize the answers of others to fit your box.

It was not a yes or no question.

 

[Melach]

I’ve often wondered about the typical mafia hit man who is so adherent to faith in God and yet murders people upon orders from within the mafia. Where does such a man stand with God? Can someone who lives that lifestyle truly have faith in God?

i would say no because this verse:

1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

 

[OneOfHis]

I do not say a child of God cannot chose to sin. But I do believe what 1 John 3 and other passages say. What does 1 John 3:1-10 say?

You seemed to suggest one who chooses sin more than once (habitual) could not have a new heart or be born again.

Feel free to post them yourself.


I believe every verse in the bible as well, despite the subtle remarks youve made.

"do you trust THIS part of the bible"

"read THIS part"

 

[Discern]

So it’s possible that person was never saved. Exactly what I said

God knows.

I'd say "can" is possible but highly unlikely.


Look at what God has done in you....



I used to be bitter, I could go off if someone gave me a look I didn't like.... These days I'm soft.... I would've mistook that for "weak" if I look at the me in unbelief...

But now even if for a split second I'm angered by much more severe acts against me, there isn't a moment I'd wish harm to someone....


Anger then turns into self examination according to the quickened spirit in me... which leads to trying to do MY best and forgiving the offense....


If I had a family member in Christ who wasn't showing the same growth that is one thing...


What usually makes me 90% sure that someone is to be avoided and not treated as family but treated as a bad example would be someone who calls evil good and good evil.... if someone JUSTIFIES what God hates as acceptable and not to be questioned... is when I have trouble thinking God is working in them....


Still wont play judge or assume based on imaginary what ifs and questions or out of context verses...

Was John judging in 1 John 3:1-10

And who have I judged? Can you give me a name? I didn’t even judge the hypothetical person, did I? I stated possibilities


If I leave my wife, shouldn’t I question possibilities about why I would do that?


You guys are all over the place about a simple question.

 

[OneOfHis]

It was not a yes or no question.

Ok. Now is it possible I am saved if I die in a state of adultery

Simple yes or no

Ok, then your answer is yes, a person would be saved even while living in adultery, because in Gods eyes, due to justification, he is not in adultery. That is one possible answer. Thank you for your reply

@OneOfHis Ok, then your answer is yes, a person would be saved even while living in adultery, because in Gods eyes, due to justification, he is not in adultery. That is one possible answer. Thank you for your reply
not agreeing or disagreeing. Recognizing that it is a possible answer.

You think you're subtle?

 

[EleventhHour]

You seemed to suggest one who chooses sin more than once (habitual) could not have a new heart or be born again.

Feel free to post them yourself.


I believe every verse in the bible as well, despite the subtle remarks youve made.

"do you trust THIS part of the bible"

"read THIS part"

Agree.... baiting?

 

[Discern]

You seemed to suggest one who chooses sin more than once (habitual) could not have a new heart or be born again.

Feel free to post them yourself.


I believe every verse in the bible as well, despite the subtle remarks youve made.

"do you trust THIS part of the bible"

"read THIS part"

I said habitual ONGOING sin. And I spoke of POSSIBILITIES, not certainties.

In other words, if I am a murderer, should I entertain the notion that I may not have been saved?

 

[Discern]

You think you're subtle?

Not yes or no except in regards to possibility. Nowhere did I say Was I saved, yes or no? I said is it possible that I was never saved

Completely fair question