Free Will compatible with Sovereignty
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Very good. The Greeks, Aristotle and others when discussing free will, said there free ill concerns, freedom of action.
I see you had your soup today.
"...A couple of centuries after Alexander, a subtle argument for free will was favored by early Christian theologians. They wanted human free will in order to absolve an omnipotent God of responsibility for evil actions. This is called the problem of evil. ..."
https://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/history/
I see you had your soup today.
"...A couple of centuries after Alexander, a subtle argument for free will was favored by early Christian theologians. They wanted human free will in order to absolve an omnipotent God of responsibility for evil actions. This is called the problem of evil. ..."
https://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/history/
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Very good. The Greeks, Aristotle and others when discussing free will, said there free ill concerns, freedom of action.
I see you had your soup today.
"...A couple of centuries after Alexander, a subtle argument for free will was favored by early Christian theologians. They wanted human free will in order to absolve an omnipotent God of responsibility for evil actions. This is called the problem of evil. ..."
https://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/history/
I see you had your soup today.
"...A couple of centuries after Alexander, a subtle argument for free will was favored by early Christian theologians. They wanted human free will in order to absolve an omnipotent God of responsibility for evil actions. This is called the problem of evil. ..."
https://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/history/
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I did indeed I was really pleasant with the owner and he gave me bread too!!
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God puts people in restrictive environments in order to cultivate the behavior from them he desires.
2Remember how the Lord your God led you all the way in the wilderness these forty years, to humble and test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commands. 3He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your ancestors had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord. - Deuteronomy 8:2-3
3 ...suffering produces perseverance; 4 perseverance, character; and character, hope. - Romans 5:3-4
23 ...we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. - Galatians 3:23-24
23So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side e of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. - Genesis 3:23-24
10 ...God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it. - Hebrews 12:10-11
Like rats in a maze we exercise our free will but within the restrictive confines of the Lord's will that He has established. All in the hope of crafting our will to be in conformance with His. He doesn't take away our free will. He just controls the environment in which we can exercise our free will. That's how the will of man and the sovereignty of God coexist.
2Remember how the Lord your God led you all the way in the wilderness these forty years, to humble and test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commands. 3He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your ancestors had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord. - Deuteronomy 8:2-3
3 ...suffering produces perseverance; 4 perseverance, character; and character, hope. - Romans 5:3-4
23 ...we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. - Galatians 3:23-24
23So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side e of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. - Genesis 3:23-24
10 ...God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it. - Hebrews 12:10-11
Like rats in a maze we exercise our free will but within the restrictive confines of the Lord's will that He has established. All in the hope of crafting our will to be in conformance with His. He doesn't take away our free will. He just controls the environment in which we can exercise our free will. That's how the will of man and the sovereignty of God coexist.
All of the born again elect do not have the full knowledge of the gospel. This is why Jesus instructed his apostles to go and preach to the "lost sheep" (born again babes in Christ) of the house of Israel, Matt 10:6. God changed Jacob's name to be called Israel. Jacob/Israel is the representative of the church of the elect. There is a difference in the "nation of Israel" and Jacob/Israel. When a person is first born again, they are babes in Christ and need to be fed the milk of the word, until they grow in knowledge from hearing the preached word, and are able to feed upon the meat of the word. Just as we were as new born babes into this world and gradually grow in knowledge, until we reach maturity. Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge knowledge? And whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little.
In order to fully understand the scriptures, We must take into consideration that there are many words in the scriptures that have different meanings, according to the original Greek language, such as; All, Salvation, Death, Life, World, As many, Israel, etc. If these words are not divided within their context, and understood as meaning only one thing, the scriptures will contradict themselves, and lead the student to conclude that the scriptures teach eternal salvation by man's good works.
In order to fully understand the scriptures, We must take into consideration that there are many words in the scriptures that have different meanings, according to the original Greek language, such as; All, Salvation, Death, Life, World, As many, Israel, etc. If these words are not divided within their context, and understood as meaning only one thing, the scriptures will contradict themselves, and lead the student to conclude that the scriptures teach eternal salvation by man's good works.
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thank God we have the Holy Spirit to lead us into truth and do not have to depend on renderings of Calvinists who have things backwards
you were sneaky about your actual beliefs though Mr Dave
very disingenuous of you
you do not seem a credible witness as a result
you are quoting out of context and obviously are one of Calvin's students