Why pastors and preachers should not be receiving salaries

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Locoponydirtman

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I'll tell you what. You go to a church where y'all bring the pastor food a couple times a day like a dog, and he can wear your leftover clothes, and I guess it can sleep at the church somewhere.

I will go to a church where the pastor is paid a fairly.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Nothing is out of context, Paul said that teachers like Timothy should be content with food and clothing.

Why do you hate God’s word by refusing to agree with what it said and then go on to falsely accuse me of twisting it?
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Yes it is out of context that particular statement is in a passage about not seeking to be rich. Paying a pastor a fair wage is not about him seeking to be rich. It's about treating a man who is doing a very difficult job in a just way.
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
I'll tell you what. You go to a church where y'all bring the pastor food a couple times a day like a dog, and he can wear your leftover clothes, and I guess it can sleep at the church somewhere.

I will go to a church where the pastor is paid a fairly.
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Somehow the apostles never thought they were treated like dogs for only being supported with basic necessities. Oh the greed of modern man. Lol.
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
Yes it is out of context that particular statement is in a passage about not seeking to be rich. Paying a pastor a fair wage is not about him seeking to be rich. It's about treating a man who is doing a very difficult job in a just way.
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If they will stop asking for money and instead have people support them on their own then salaries are just fine. They will never be called conmen once they stopped asking for money, that is something better.

I have taken nothing out of context, you’ve falsely accused me nevertheless.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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If they will stop asking for money and instead have people support them on their own then salaries are just fine.
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That's what I've been saying this whole time. Pay a pastor a fair salary.b
 
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That's what I've been saying this whole time. Pay a pastor a fair salary.b
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But all salaries earned now are through asking for money. And once the asking for money starts, it rarely stops and slowly becomes greed. That is what I’ve been trying to say this whole time. Stop asking for money in order to have salaries.
 
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Somehow the apostles never thought they were treated like dogs for only being supported with basic necessities. Oh the greed of modern man. Lol.
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Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.
1 Corinthians 16:1‭-‬2 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/1co.16.1-2.NASB
 
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Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.
1 Corinthians 16:1‭-‬2 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/1co.16.1-2.NASB
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How many times do I have to say those collections were to help all believers based on their needs and not JUST to support/pay teachers??
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.
1 Corinthians 16:1‭-‬2 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/1co.16.1-2.NASB
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Now all the believers were together and held all things in common. They sold their possessions and property and distributed the proceeds to all, as any had need.
Acts 2:44-45
 
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All of God’s priests, apostles and prophets were allowed to receive material goods from believers because they had the primary job of preaching the truth and the Gospel. Those material goods were received ONLY to satisfy their most basic needs like food, water, clothing and shelter.

But modern day constitutional Churches turned the job of preaching into an enterprise, and instead of receiving material things to satisfy only basic needs, pastors and teachers are getting rich from preaching while most of the hearers who give them money are poorer than them or live in poverty. The poor are ignored while the preachers get millions of income. This is against the very teachings of Jesus and His apostles. Even the apostle Paul supported his ministry through tent making, to set a good example.

Repent you leaders of the church.
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Your title should be....the pastors/ preachers are not allowed to get rich...

Biblically they should recieve due income.
1Co 9:14 KJV Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
 
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But all salaries earned now are through asking for money. And once the asking for money starts, it rarely stops and slowly becomes greed. That is what I’ve been trying to say this whole time. Stop asking for money in order to have salaries.
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Not true. My church pays the salary of the pastor, he receives his salary and has never asked for money. He receives what he agreed on when he was hired as pastor. He may get a cost of living adjustment over the years. I have never asked his financial business. It's not a topic at church.
I don't know what churches you go to but may be you need a new church.
 
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Your title should be....the pastors/ preachers are not allowed to get rich...

Biblically they should recieve due income.
1Co 9:14 KJV Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
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I agree the title needs a change. I actually meant that pastors and preachers should not be asking for money and then using it to pay themselves and become rich.

People are to support them out of their own accord, not to be coerced into supporting them.
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
Not true. My church pays the salary of the pastor, he receives his salary and has never asked for money. He receives what he agreed on when he was hired as pastor. He may get a cost of living adjustment over the years. I have never asked his financial business. It's not a topic at church.
I don't know what churches you go to but may be you need a new church.
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If that’s the case you got offended at me for no cause. I’ve clarified in so many posts what I’ve meant but you continue to reply me and falsely accuse me.
 
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watcher2013 said:
Your title should be....the pastors/ preachers are not allowed to get rich...

Biblically they should recieve due income.
1Co 9:14 KJV Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
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Worse still, those greedy preachers asked for money, justified their right to riches and paid themselves salaries way beyond what they need. That is why I started out the thread with the title about salaries.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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If that’s the case you got offended at me for no cause. I’ve clarified in so many posts what I’ve meant but you continue to reply me and falsely accuse me.
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Lol I don't get offended.
You haven't been clear.
and all of your discussion with me has been, you defending your position that pastors should not receive a salary.

Asking for money and taking a collection each week is not a salary.
A salary is a set wage agreed on beforehand.
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
Not true. My church pays the salary of the pastor, he receives his salary and has never asked for money. He receives what he agreed on when he was hired as pastor. He may get a cost of living adjustment over the years. I have never asked his financial business. It's not a topic at church.
I don't know what churches you go to but may be you need a new church.
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Who asks for money then, if not the pastors on the preaching stands?
 
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Who asks for money then, if not the pastors on the preaching stands?
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Who commanded the collection?
It was paul..
1Co 16:1 KJV Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
Your preachers when they asked for collection..they were just doing what paul did.
They are not forcing you...be happy on what you can give...
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
Lol I don't get offended.
You haven't been clear.
and all of your discussion with me has been, you defending your position that pastors should not receive a salary.

Asking for money and taking a collection each week is not a salary.
A salary is a set wage agreed on beforehand.
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Yet salaries are indeed paid out of the money asked and collections taken. What’s the difference? Lol
 
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Who commanded the collection?
It was paul..
1Co 16:1 KJV Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
Your preachers when they asked for collection..they were just doing what paul did.
They are not forcing you...be happy on what you can give...
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True purpose of collections:

Now all the believers were together and held all things in common. They sold their possessions and property and distributed the proceeds to all, as any had NEED.
Acts 2:44-45

Collections had nothing to do with paying teachers, other than what they needed for living.

Paul also wrote clearly in that verse you quoted, said the collection was for the SAINTS, ie all believers, not solely for the teachers.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Who asks for money then, if not the pastors on the preaching stands?
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I have been to churches where an offering plate is passed and I have been to churches where they have a donations box at the back of the church. But no one asks for money.
And the pastor at our church don't collect the money nor does he delegate what it's used for. We have a body of elders who do that according a directive voted on at body meetings every quarter.

Surely your not opposed to giving to the ministry.
 
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