Why pastors and preachers should not be receiving salaries
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Locoponydirtman
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Yes it is out of context that particular statement is in a passage about not seeking to be rich. Paying a pastor a fair wage is not about him seeking to be rich. It's about treating a man who is doing a very difficult job in a just way.
Somehow the apostles never thought they were treated like dogs for only being supported with basic necessities. Oh the greed of modern man. Lol.
If they will stop asking for money and instead have people support them on their own then salaries are just fine. They will never be called conmen once they stopped asking for money, that is something better.
I have taken nothing out of context, you’ve falsely accused me nevertheless.
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Locoponydirtman
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But all salaries earned now are through asking for money. And once the asking for money starts, it rarely stops and slowly becomes greed. That is what I’ve been trying to say this whole time. Stop asking for money in order to have salaries.
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Locoponydirtman
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Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.
1 Corinthians 16:1-2 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/1co.16.1-2.NASB
How many times do I have to say those collections were to help all believers based on their needs and not JUST to support/pay teachers??
Now all the believers were together and held all things in common. They sold their possessions and property and distributed the proceeds to all, as any had need.
Acts 2:44-45
Your title should be....the pastors/ preachers are not allowed to get rich...
Biblically they should recieve due income.
1Co 9:14 KJV Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
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Locoponydirtman
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Not true. My church pays the salary of the pastor, he receives his salary and has never asked for money. He receives what he agreed on when he was hired as pastor. He may get a cost of living adjustment over the years. I have never asked his financial business. It's not a topic at church.
I don't know what churches you go to but may be you need a new church.
I agree the title needs a change. I actually meant that pastors and preachers should not be asking for money and then using it to pay themselves and become rich.
People are to support them out of their own accord, not to be coerced into supporting them.
If that’s the case you got offended at me for no cause. I’ve clarified in so many posts what I’ve meant but you continue to reply me and falsely accuse me.
Worse still, those greedy preachers asked for money, justified their right to riches and paid themselves salaries way beyond what they need. That is why I started out the thread with the title about salaries.
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Locoponydirtman
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Lol I don't get offended.
You haven't been clear.
and all of your discussion with me has been, you defending your position that pastors should not receive a salary.
Asking for money and taking a collection each week is not a salary.
A salary is a set wage agreed on beforehand.
Who commanded the collection?
It was paul..
1Co 16:1 KJV Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
Your preachers when they asked for collection..they were just doing what paul did.
They are not forcing you...be happy on what you can give...
Yet salaries are indeed paid out of the money asked and collections taken. What’s the difference? Lol
True purpose of collections:
Now all the believers were together and held all things in common. They sold their possessions and property and distributed the proceeds to all, as any had NEED.
Acts 2:44-45
Collections had nothing to do with paying teachers, other than what they needed for living.
Paul also wrote clearly in that verse you quoted, said the collection was for the SAINTS, ie all believers, not solely for the teachers.
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Locoponydirtman
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I have been to churches where an offering plate is passed and I have been to churches where they have a donations box at the back of the church. But no one asks for money.
And the pastor at our church don't collect the money nor does he delegate what it's used for. We have a body of elders who do that according a directive voted on at body meetings every quarter.
Surely your not opposed to giving to the ministry.