Not By Works

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"The Holy Spirit is the Seal. Obedience is evidence of the Seal. " quote from Hewillcome2040

Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

1 John 2:3
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands.

Clear scripture. With so many who do not know scripture, it is always best to quote the source.

Who does GOD chasten and why?

The evidence is HIS SPIRIT bearing WITNESS with OUR SPIRIT.....obviously to deep for you to grasp because you are blending faith and works which saves NO ONE

 

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Yep
And Ephesians 4 makes it clear. We are sealed UNTIL the day of redemption. Even if we grieve the spirit as EPH one says that seal began the moment of faith

AGAIN....his premise is false....THE SPIRIT bears WITNESS with our spirit.......and GOD ONLY chastens SONS....a SON being chastened is DISOBEDIENT....his premise falls short or completely accurate

 

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now we are back to me being not saved again. foolish talk i dont have any other mode of talk available. greed? well i dont think im greedy at all, impurity thats wide subject, sexual immorality not in practicality but i do love women but soon that will get easy once i get married so no need to worry about that.

and not even a hint?

but it says God's wrath comes upon those who are disobedient but why cant it be true in OSAS doctrine? that God chastens you. why does the wrath always have to be lose of salvation? also its talking about inheritance in the kingdom not having any, not being part of it, those who teach others against doing the least of commandments and do so are the least in the kingdom of God. but they are still there

Don't let these clowns and jokers get you down migo......their judgement lingereth not.....they will pay for devaluing JESUS and lifting themselves by peddling a self saving self sustained losable salvtion

 

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Until people understand what this means without it meaning you earn your own salvation by works of righteousness they will never understand how works of righteousness must be a part of a legitimate salvation experience. And they will be the ones who wake up on the other side with the look of astonishment on their faces when they see they are not going to enter into the kingdom.

By your own dogma RALPH, you state clearly that you don't understand it......

 

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2 Peter 1 Warning about failing
(10) So then, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election certain, for if you keep on doing this you will never fail.
(11) For in this way you will be generously granted entry into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus, the Messiah.
(12) Therefore, I intend to keep on reminding you about these things, even though you already know them and are firmly established in the truth that you now have.

Heb 6 Lost salvation
(4) For it is impossible to keep on restoring to repentance time and again people who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have become partners with the Holy Spirit,
(5) who have tasted the goodness of God's word and the powers of the coming age,
(6) and who have fallen away, as long as they continue to crucify the Son of God to their own detriment by exposing him to public ridicule.

Joh 15 Believers cast into the fire
(1) Jesus said to his disciples: I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.
(2) He cuts away every branch of mine that doesn't produce fruit. But he trims clean every branch that does produce fruit, so that it will produce even more fruit.
(3) You are already clean because of what I have said to you.
(4) Stay joined to me, and I will stay joined to you. Just as a branch cannot produce fruit unless it stays joined to the vine, you cannot produce fruit unless you stay joined to me.
(5) I am the vine, and you are the branches. If you stay joined to me, and I stay joined to you, then you will produce lots of fruit. But you cannot do anything without me.
(6) If you don't stay joined to me, you will be thrown away. You will be like dry branches that are gathered up and burned in a fire.

Rom 11 Keep trusting or you will be cut off
(17) You Gentiles are like branches of a wild olive tree that were made to be part of a cultivated olive tree. You have taken the place of some branches that were cut away from it. And because of this, you enjoy the blessings that come from being part of that cultivated tree.
(18) But don't think you are better than the branches that were cut away. Just remember that you are not supporting the roots of that tree. Its roots are supporting you.
(19) Maybe you think those branches were cut away, so that you could be put in their place.
(20) That's true enough. But they were cut away because they did not have faith, and you are where you are because you do have faith. So don't be proud, but be afraid.
(21) If God cut away those natural branches, couldn't he do the same to you?
(22) Now you see both how kind and how hard God can be. He was hard on those who fell, but he was kind to you. And he will keep on being kind to you, if you keep on trusting in his kindness. Otherwise, you will be cut away too.

Mat 24 Warning about loosing faith
(13) But if you keep on being faithful right to the end, you will be saved.

Rev 2 Salvation is conditional on remaining faithful to the end
(10) Don't worry about what you will suffer. The devil will throw some of you into jail, and you will be tested and made to suffer for ten days. But if you are faithful until you die, I will reward you with a glorious life.

1Co 9 Paul worries about being castaway
(27) But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

1 Timothy 4:1 "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."

1 Timothy 1:19 Cling to your faith in Christ, and keep your conscience clear. For some people have deliberately violated their consciences; as a result, their faith has been shipwrecked.

2 Peter 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

2 Peter 3:17 Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

Hbr 6:4 - "It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace."

YAWN>>>>>>>>>>conflating scriptures out of context..........more drivel!

 

[dcontroversal]

That's what flying bugs say also!
Right before they go SPLAT, on God's windshield!

Guess I don't have to tell you the LAST THING that goes through a bugs mind as he SPLATS against the windshield do I?

You just compared him to a bug....Interesting....BUGS come to the LIGHT......unlike salvation losers, workers for and Cainologists which elevate themselves above JESUS while devaluing JESUS......Catholic dogma saves NO ONE

 

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No doubt I am a work in progress, and it’s all Jesus’ work, I’m simply the beneficiary. I know you hate that, but it’s okay Pookie, you’ll learn to live with it.

hahahahahahhahhahahhahahha -->Pookie <-----HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH

 

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That's good for you "pooky!"
Enjoy "your flight", while you still can!

....for the record? I don't hate Jesus' work in you at all!
I do however, hate the "willingness" you continue to display in your false belief that God's grace shall abound the more...as you keep "pushing the envelope" against it!

Then you hate the word of GOD.....end of story....and a child of GOD would not say such a thing.......

Right here folks is an open admission to hating God's word....ALL that are HONEST can read this and conclude this poster HATES the truth and OPPOSES the truth....THE bible is clear.....and you wonder why we call you clowns, jokers, salvation losers, workers for, cainologists....

WHERE sin abounds GRACE abounds the more

 

[Melach]

@Judges1318 why cant you just say if you are ralph or not come on people has asked you thousands of times what is this. i can tell everyone right now im not ralph

 

[Melach]

Then you hate the word of GOD.....end of story....and a child of GOD would not say such a thing.......

Right here folks is an open admission to hating God's word....ALL that are HONEST can read this and conclude this poster HATES the truth and OPPOSES the truth....THE bible is clear.....and you wonder why we call you clowns, jokers, salvation losers, workers for, cainologists....

WHERE sin abounds GRACE abounds the more

i bet he didnt know its a bible verse that says it. oops

 

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BORE bear

HAHAHAHH ROSE waxes poetically hilarious HAHAHHAHAH

 

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What’s even more bizarre is he actually laughs at post #121,214 which pertains to God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

These clowns will weep and beg JESUS one day.....BUT LORDDDDD, LORDDDDDD have WE NOT DONE..........in your NAME.....PLEASE....we are BEGGING YOU.............!!!

It is all JESUS, and ALL glory goes to GOD or it is SATANIC seeking to steal the GLORY from GOD and a right to BOAST!

 

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Are you done venting... do you feel better now?

Just know this ... I was saved, am saved and will be saved completely and securely... by grace through faith apart from any and all works.... Jesus finishes what He starts.


Have you ever read this on a billboard? JESUS SAVES
The message is clear.

Ding ding ding ding we have a winner............although they will deny it

 

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@Judges1318 why cant you just say if you are ralph or not come on people has asked you thousands of times what is this. i can tell everyone right now im not ralph

We all know why......either LIE or just keep one's mouth shut avoids the whole issue....same verbiage of RALPH and same false stance......either RALPH or his twin brother Ralphie.......!!!!

 

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i bet he didnt know its a bible verse that says it. oops

OH he knows and yet opposes the truth tooth and nail by embracing catholic dogma.....the same ole self sustaining self saving working for dogma and a salvation that can be lost

 

[dcontroversal]

You are in a blind hunting Boars or Bear.

You look down one trial, and you see

And you look down another trail and you see

Which one do you shoot First ? ? ?

I carry plenty of AMMO.......and would light them all up.....head shots drops them like a sack of "taters" HAHA

 

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I am thinking this out of line and inappropriate!

Wisdom is justified of her children.......JESUS will laugh in the day of his calamity......let it roll off the back and consider the source.......a salvation loser that devalues JESUS, grace, faith and the eternal salvation/justification given to men by faith.

 

[dcontroversal]

Guys (and gals), I'm not gonna take the time to dig through the past 10 pages of posts to figure out who started this latest bit of rudeness, etc. It is sad to me that supposed adult Christians can't seem to interact without resorting to juvenile tactics in their discussions.

You do a good job Once.....and thank you for the lateral freedom to defend the truth with a little heat and sarcasm migo.....We mostly try to keep it calm and as I have said many times...I can deal with anything except having what I say skewed and twisted or when one misrepresents the truth about me or flat lies.......

My problem is the Marine in me wants to come out and play.....I try, I really do.......

Thanks Brother and sorry for all the flak we cause you migo

 

[VCO]

. . .
Without first offering "spiritual sacrifices ACCEPTABLE to God BY Jesus Christ!"

1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

This is only 1 of the "dangers" with OSAS!
You should notice, in Peter's teaching, that it is NOT to "unbelievers", Peter is addressing this to! IT'S BELIEVERS!!!!!
The "sacrifices?" Are FROM the BELIEVER TO God, BY Jesus Christ!
Now! If Jesus "PAID IT ALL?" As is seen in OSAS "dogma!"
Then Peter was lying! Wasn't he?

Personally? I don't believe Peter was lying at all!

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You know, I believe that GOD put me on this thread for a reason.
And that seems to be to answer questions from people WHO DO NOT KNOW much more about OSAS than their Superstitions.
And Yes we Born Again Believers are going Serve HIM in Priesthood in the 1000 Year Kingdom.
And OUT OF LOVE FOR GOD we offer up Spiritual Sacrifices NOW and FOREVER as an ACT OF LOVE.

1 Corinthians 2:12-14 (NIV)
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Revelation 5:9-10 (GWT)
9 Then they sang a new song, “You deserve to take the scroll and open the seals on it, because you were slaughtered. You bought people with your blood to be God's own. They are from every tribe, language, people, and nation.
10 You made them a kingdom and priests for our God. They will rule as kings on the earth.”


In the above Verses, it appears to be referring to Every True Believer of all TIME.
And in the below Verse It seems to be ONLY ISRAEL. Since you MUST READ IT IN CONTEXT. He then is talking about only ISRAEL,
in 1 Pet. 2:5.


1 Pet 2:9 (NRSV)
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, in order that you may proclaim the mighty acts of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.


However I believe we too will be Priests in the KINGDOM serving HIM, but not those who Serve In the Temple itself during that 1000 Year Kingdom. THAT may have been why the ONLY VERSE with the WORD ROYAL ahead of Priesthood, is 1 Peter 2:9. If you look at other verses that says in the 1000 Year Kingdom, we will serve as Priests, the ROYAL is missing. So that Could be the distinction, O.T. Saints Serve in the Temple itself, and we Serve Outside of the Temple. Do not tune me out, hear my reasoning for that.


Revelation 20:4-6 (CSBBible)
4 Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. I also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed.
This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.


Now their everyone in the First Resurrection, they will be Priests in the KINGDOM. So if we are Not the PRIESTS actually in the TEMPLE, what will be our JOB ? ? ? I can only speculate, however one of the things the PRIESTS DID Outside of the Temple, was to Teach the People. We will be in our immortal Bodies, but the 144,000 go into the KINGDOM in their MORTAL Bodies, and they will have lots of Children. I think GOD wants to have them experiencing the GARDEN of Eden in the PERFECT world environment. I believe when Jesus makes over the War Torn earth and God's Plagues on it, and IT WILL BE PERFECT, like the Garden of Eden. NOW, the Children of the 144,000, will NEVER have experienced anything but a PERFECT environment. HOW LIKELY WILL THEY TO BE TO TAKE EVERYTHING HE HAS PROVIDED, FOR GRANTED! NOW teaching them to be THANKFUL, could possibly be our FULL TIME JOB. And many will join Satan's rebellion in the END, just before the NEW ATMOSPHERE (New Heaven), and EARTH COMES.

I know lots of theologians will think my assessment of 1 Pet. 2:9 is not right. But Most have not picked up on fact, JESUS NEVER USED THE WORD CHURCH. That word came in to BEING after the ASSEMBLY started calling itself, CHURCH, around 200 A.D. You all can look up the GREEK WORD, and it ONLY meant ASSEMBLY at the time it was written.

How Important is changing a single WORD?

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
18 `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;

John 10:14-16 (HCSB)
14 “I am the good shepherd. I know My own sheep, and they know Me, [Notice: Past Tense Verbiage when the Birthday of the Church is not until the Day of Pentecost after HIS Ascension. These People are the last of the O.T. ASSEMBLY.]
15 as the Father knows Me, and I know the Father. I lay down My life for the sheep.
16 But I have other sheep that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice.
Then there will be one flock, one shepherd.

THEN - When? At the Rapture, there will be ONE and Only ONE ASSEMBLY.

O.T. ASSEMBLY Believed Messiah would come.

N.T. ASSEMBLY Believed Messiah did come, and He is JESUS CHRIST.

Below is an excerpt from one of my commentaries. It simplifies what are spiritual sacrifices, and it should motivate us to go to Church.
Notice their is NO Sacrifice for SIN. WHY? JESUS PAID it ALL. SALVATION of our Human Spirit is already COMPLETE. And we have a guarantee THAT HE WILL FINISH our Sanctification at the RESURRECTION.

Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.


You still have your SUPERSTITIONS about OSAS.
They Too are just plain Phony.

1. The presentation of the body as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God. This is an act of spiritual worship (Rom. 12:1).
2. The sacrifice of praise. "That is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name" (Heb. 13:15).
3. The sacrifice of good works out of LOVE. "Do not forget to do good...." This sacrifice is pleasing to God (Heb. 13:16).
4. The sacrifice of possessions, or pocketbook. "Do not forget... to share." This sacrifice also is pleasing to the Lord (Heb. 13:16).
5. The sacrifice of service. Paul speaks of his ministry to the Gentiles as a priestly offering (Rom. 15:16).

Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding.

 

[Judges1318]

You seem angry.
Does God’s grace anger you?

God as my witness, I don't have an ounce of anger regarding God's grace.
Justification is by faith in Jesus' blood for the forgiveness of sin, not by performing meritorious works.
There's nothing in that to be angry about.
In fact, the Bible calls it the good news.

So, what's your take on people who stop believing?
Were they ever saved to begin with?
Do they lose their salvation?
Of do they continue to be saved as if they still believed?