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EleventhHour

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Bumped ..... READ those that cannot understand salvation is secure... Jesus stays faithful !!!
Source: @dcontroversal

To set this straight and as I have pointed out in the VOLUME of this thread the saved will include...

a. Non workers that have the wood, hay and stubble crispy fried, yet saved

b. Those that labor and have works of gold, silver and precious stones

c. Weak, unfaithful saved that bear little if any fruit

d. Very faithful that bear an abundance

e. Those faithful over a Few things and made ruler over much

f. Saved that sell out to sin and are cut loose for the destruction of the flesh

g. Saved that sin horrifically like David, chastened his whole life because of it yet saved

h. Those that lose faith and become faithless, yet saved because JESUS CANNOT deny himself!

The gift is irrevocable by God and he may whip the crap out of us, but does not cast us away, keeps us by his power and NOTHING can separate us from his love.....!
 
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Judges1318

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Chris1975 said:
I believe Discern said that continual belief is necessary. So on that front we have unity.
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That is true.
That's why I was pointing out the new osas that says you do not have to continue to believe to be saved. At least the old osas defended continued belief and holy living.
 
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Judges1318 said:
That is true.
That's why I was pointing out the new osas that says you do not have to continue to believe to be saved. At least the old osas defended continued belief and holy living.
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NO ONE that has believed in eternal security has peddled the lying crap you are promoting RALPH.....your false gospel is not only sickening and false, but straight from the enemy of Christ himself....
 
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EleventhHour said:
Bumped ..... READ those that cannot understand salvation is secure... Jesus stays faithful !!!
Source: @dcontroversal

To set this straight and as I have pointed out in the VOLUME of this thread the saved will include...

a. Non workers that have the wood, hay and stubble crispy fried, yet saved

b. Those that labor and have works of gold, silver and precious stones

c. Weak, unfaithful saved that bear little if any fruit

d. Very faithful that bear an abundance

e. Those faithful over a Few things and made ruler over much

f. Saved that sell out to sin and are cut loose for the destruction of the flesh

g. Saved that sin horrifically like David, chastened his whole life because of it yet saved

h. Those that lose faith and become faithless, yet saved because JESUS CANNOT deny himself!

The gift is irrevocable by God and he may whip the crap out of us, but does not cast us away, keeps us by his power and NOTHING can separate us from his love.....!
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Yet by your own words you do not need to continue in belief.
 
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Judges1318

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Chris1975 said:
EleventhHour doesnt believe that continual faith is necessary. So a major disconnect there.
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MAJOR disconnect, lol.
When I first got saved it was completely and utterly unthinkable that you were still saved if you stop trusting in Christ. It was not even a point of discussion. Somewhere along the early 90's the rise of the fame and fortune church birthed this attitude of entitlement among Christians until now we have these kinds of doctrines being embraced in the mainstream of Christianity. What surprises me is how fast it grew. Western prosperity and all the devices at our disposal, and our love of fame and fortune and the pursuit of it, is the reason for that I believe.
 
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EleventhHour

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Judges1318 said:
MAJOR disconnect, lol.
When I first got saved it was completely and utterly unthinkable that you were still saved if you stop trusting in Christ. It was not even a point of discussion. Somewhere along the early 90's the rise of the fame and fortune church birthed this attitude of entitlement among Christians until now we have these kinds of doctrines being embraced in the mainstream of Christianity. What surprises me is how fast it grew. Western prosperity and all the devices at our disposal, and our love of fame and fortune and the pursuit of it, is the reason for that I believe.
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I am the complete opposite I know that if my belief, a one time event saved me completely and if my discipleship and faith falters He will never abandon or forsake me, I rather have my Jesus thank you very much... He is completely faithful, true and inspiring too!!
 
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EleventhHour said:
I am the complete opposite I know that if my belief, a one time event saved me completely and if my discipleship and faith falters He will never abandon or forsake me, I rather have my Jesus thank you very much... He is completely faithful, true and inspiring too!!
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What he is spewing is not of God.......Paul was fully persuaded and KNEW that JESUS would never cast him away...HE also understood that JESUS would finish and complete the work of faith...to peddle what Ralph A.K.A. Judges is peddling is to call Christ, Paul and the bible a lie...it is of the devil!
 
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Judges1318

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Chris1975 said:
Mystery of Lawlessness growing.
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BIG TIME!
I'm normally hesitant to think that I'm in the pivotal days of the end because so many generations before us have thought they were and ended up being wrong, but, honestly, I'm thinking more and more that we're right in it, now. So many things are lining up with prophecy. The great falling away, the distress of the nations, wars and rumors of war, the push for global unity, the push back against it, the rise (again?) of socialism (the beast out of the sea with the head with the fatal wound healed?).

I know people think I and others are just here to argue and win fights, but actually, honest to God truth is I'm here to warn as many people as possible that they need to be prepared to stand before Jesus, and these various doctrines of once saved always saved, especially the one that says you don't have to continue to believe, aren't going to prepare a person to see Jesus face to face. They will only deceive a person into thinking they are ready.
 
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EleventhHour

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dcontroversal said:
What he is spewing is not of God.......Paul was fully persuaded and KNEW that JESUS would never cast him away...HE also understood that JESUS would finish and complete the work of faith...to peddle what Ralph A.K.A. Judges is peddling is to call Christ, Paul and the bible a lie...it is of the devil!
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Agree they actually do not trust Jesus that is what it comes down to/....... they trust themselves to stay saved.
Reeeediculous!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Melach said:
whats the difference between debate and discussion?
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Discussion is with open minded people wanting to learn even if they end up disagreeing, but hoping to learn from each other

debate is prove your enemy wrong using any thing you can.
 
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