its talking about dog not sheep i believe was his point
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Thanks for proving my point.
No, he was attacking instead of engaging our discussion.
He would have been better off utilizing the passage as once saved always saved does.
Which is what I addressed, and instead of engaging the discussion about it he chose to attack instead.
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Yes, Jesus is the object of our Faith, that is the noun Pistis, a person place or thing.
Pisteuo the corresponding verb, is the specific act, based upon a specific belief, sustained by a specific kind of confidence to that object of Faith.
Which is just what it says on the Vines Greek dictionary, " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender."
We do this not Him!
There is no discussion to be had with you.
You are here for the sake of debate, not discussion.
Someone should have set you straight a long time ago.
We aren't your babysitters dude!
Good question.
It should have read...You are here for the sake of argument, and not for discussion.
Actually, I'm here to offer those not directly engaged in the discussion the truth they are not hearing about the fallacy of once saved always saved. See, most in the church live in the box of their own little doctrinal constructs that their particular denomination has taught them, and they never get to hear any other possible understandings and insights of these kinds of subjects. I was like that to some extent once, though it was really more of a self imposed doctrinal restriction. Then I saw, thanks to the internet, how there are other honest and reasonable interpretations to various scriptures for which I was sure there could be no other way to look at them.
People in the church have to understand that their denominations exist to carefully insulate and protect their $congregants$ from being exposed to, and losing them to, competing understandings of doctrine. The true servant of God is not afraid to let believers be exposed to all thoughts concerning the scriptures. He knows that he not need fear having true believers who are only interested in and want the truth finding that truth. But leaders who themselves are not like that will not allow others to hear alternate understandings and will usually go for the juggler vein of those who offer those other understandings.
I think the implication is that 'debate' is emotional and combative, while 'discussion' is calm and scholarly.
I will let my behavior here speak for itself regarding which one I've been engaged in.
Then you are in the wrong thread.
I don't think you would like the heat...it is oppressive and the constant smoke in the air gives you a head ache almost every day.......not good.....the fires have burned almost 14 million acres.....it is surreal
Ralph is as false as they come....When he stands in the many group and is denied entry he will find out the hard way how wrong he was.....he will beg, plead with tears and boast of all he has done in the name of Jesus to no avail.....
BY DOCTRINE he does not believe in and or promote the JESUS CHRIST of the bible.......one that dos not fully trust CHRIST to complete the work of faith in then denies JESUS and promotes self regardless of how they spin it....HIS false gospel is about as dangerous as it comes and is traceable all the way back to CAIN who was of that WICKED ONE.....!!
FAITH saves eternally.....to say one can lose it or forfeit = being of the wicked one because it devalues JESUS, his promises, power and work on our behalf....
Maybe I am. That had occurred to me.
Because I think most people do avoid this thread like the plague.
And not because there's honest, calm discussion here, but because there is a lot of narcissistic abuse going on here towards people who dare to have a different view of scriptures than they.
It does seem to be controlled by a handful of people who are protecting their territory.
Here, this may be helpful for some people here:
Go look in the mirror hypocrite..I oppose your dogma tooth and nail and YOU are the one mouthing about BEATING ME UP pal.....and to use sarcasm, pointed derogatory names, heat, pointed comments IS BIBLICAL when one is opposing false blather that leads one to hell......JESUS, PAUL, John the Baptist, Elijah and others have set this example...and make no mistake...YOU peddle a false gospel and I will oppose you and the other clowns until the cows come home, the chickens roost and hell freezes over!
Morning blue.......and back at ya.....955 AM Monday here in Australia.....
I have a house here, friends, holiday, job if i want it, etc......Plus, other than the fires which will end...I love Au and the people....
Thank God I am not of YOU..................the truth has set me free from all the false dogmas that lead to the pit!