All things James
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Why would James address the twelve tribes if his letter is a Christian epistle?
The term twelve tribes is used all throughout Scripture, and is always a reference to the nation of Israel as a whole and never to a called out group from that nation. Genesis 49:28, Exodus 24:4, 28:21, Ezekiel 47:13. And the NT is no different: Matt 19:28, Luke 22:30, Acts 26:7, Revelation 21:12. There is no justification for taking this as anything other than an address to the twelve tribes of Israel. In order to make James a Christian epistle would mean to contradict every other usage of this term in Scripture. It is certainly not a reference to the diaspora.
The term twelve tribes is used all throughout Scripture, and is always a reference to the nation of Israel as a whole and never to a called out group from that nation. Genesis 49:28, Exodus 24:4, 28:21, Ezekiel 47:13. And the NT is no different: Matt 19:28, Luke 22:30, Acts 26:7, Revelation 21:12. There is no justification for taking this as anything other than an address to the twelve tribes of Israel. In order to make James a Christian epistle would mean to contradict every other usage of this term in Scripture. It is certainly not a reference to the diaspora.
Is this Church doctrine? When elders pray over the sick, are they always healed? “shall save the sick.” Are sins forgiven through the prayers of others?
James 5
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
James 5
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Tribulation saint...Revelation 14:12-13, keeping commandments and the faith of Jesus Christ (faith plus works). That’s not Church doctrine faith only.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
They must keep their garments unspotted.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
They must keep their garments unspotted.
False.......
I am the Lord thy God I CHANGE NOT
Abraham believed GOD and it was put to his account for righteousness....like normal...conflating texts and going beyond what is actually being said does not make your case valid and or what you are saying true.....
try again and this time use some biblical common sense
I am the Lord thy God I CHANGE NOT
Abraham believed GOD and it was put to his account for righteousness....like normal...conflating texts and going beyond what is actually being said does not make your case valid and or what you are saying true.....
try again and this time use some biblical common sense
So what your take on this.
Revelation 21:12
The city had a great and high wall with twelve gates inscribed with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel, and twelve angels at the gates.
do the twelve thrones judge/choose gates?
I said choose because revelations states 12,000 will come from each tribe, are these Jewish people who do not believe in Christ or Jewish descendants who believe in Christ?
Revelation 21:12
The city had a great and high wall with twelve gates inscribed with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel, and twelve angels at the gates.
do the twelve thrones judge/choose gates?
I said choose because revelations states 12,000 will come from each tribe, are these Jewish people who do not believe in Christ or Jewish descendants who believe in Christ?
James 2
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Is this a true statement in Scripture?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? We’re justified by the faith of Christ, a perfect faith.
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Abraham believed God in chapter 15, but his justification was not fulfilled until chapter 22.
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Is this a true statement in Scripture?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? We’re justified by the faith of Christ, a perfect faith.
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Abraham believed God in chapter 15, but his justification was not fulfilled until chapter 22.