Prophesying Forbidden

[presidente]

I think it's too controversial for the staff to try and regulate and don't forget there is prophecy and prophesy which are two different things. If someone claims to have a prophecy that turns out to be false or wrong it would seriously undermine the credibility of this site. I doubt if robo or once fallen would actually stone them so I think it's better left in private or PM's than in the threads.

I was talking about a different site.

 

[bojack]

Are you talking about Acts 2 or the gift of interpretation of tongues?

I believe in Acts 2 that the actual languages were coming out of the mouths of the disciples. The passage says those present testified that they heard them speak in their languages, not that they heard the languages but the disciples were not speaking in them--like watching a Kung Fu movie with English dubbing.

I can of at least three accounts for Azusa Street of people present hearing and recognizing their own language and understanding the interpretation. I saw a recording of another testimony about this from that era from a meeting outside of Azusa. A number of Assembies of God missionaries have testified to such events occurring. I know of five people I can think of who can tell of other people having understood them they understood what they spoke in tongues. Make that six if that one missionary is still alive.

I haven't interpreted tongues, but from talking with people, it sounds like it comes the same way a lot of prophecies come, as a message, but one that follows a message in tongues in this case. I know people who experienced hearing a message in tongues, getting the message, but someone else gives it first. Ironically, one of these is a long time friend who has never spoken in tongues himself.

6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

I was talking in Corinthians, about interpreter to the message given in tongues , and confirmation to the interpretation by two or 3 others, waiting to tell the interpreter he was spot on .. I didn't know what to do except just quietly go up to them and say something like ''you nailed it bro'' or ''I got the same exact thing bro'' ..

I have had the interpretation but was afraid to stand and speak up, afraid it was me and not the Holy Spirit, and left the original speaker hanging but I didn't realize what was happening, that time she waited on me then she interpreted herself .. And Ive been a confirmer along with 2 or 3 more ..

It was peculiar when it happened .. Every one would be singing , praising, worshipping Jesus , then everything would get quiet then one would stand up and speak in tongues , then quiet again, then another would stand up and deliver the interpretation, and if you had the confirmation you had heard it from the original speaker and know the interpreter was correct .. Most messages were encouragement and edification to the church or even an individual message to a person or persons .. I know sometimes I wasn't interested like it was none of my business , I still listened but just wasn't or pertained to me ..

 

[Butterflyyy]

I disagree. the perverted adulterous is not in context to those seeking the gifts. That is in context to those seeking a sign.

The Gifts of the Holy Spirit are to be sacked by those who already believe. A sign one is seeking is because they DO NOT believe. those who seek the gifts are doing what was instructed to do in 1cor 12 to 14 not a a sign. you are speaking of two different things

gifts and the context of one seeking asign to Believe who Jesus said HE is.

There are those who see after an 'experience' rather than after God....and I am reminded of this scripture:

Matthew 7:22-23 King James Version (KJV)
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Butterflyyy]

That's the point. They are together so that those who rightly divide the word will understand that the three gifts mentioned in 1 or 1c3 ended while they were active in 1 Cor 14 because they were in the apostolic church era. The remaining gifts are always present in the church and believers life . Only three apostolic gifts ended according to 1 Cor 13. Context is straight forward.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

It is presumptuous to assume from those verses that these things have been done away with. It does not say that. It is speaking in the future tense, otherwise it would say in v8 for example, that prophesies and tongues 'HAVE BEEN' done away with, rather than 'WILL BE'. This is why in verses 10, 11 & 12 it speaks about the time when we are with Christ. This letter was written after Christ had been on this earth, so these verses are referring to when He returns.

 

[Deade]

I think it's too controversial for the staff to try and regulate and don't forget there is prophecy and prophesy which are two different things. If someone claims to have a prophecy that turns out to be false or wrong it would seriously undermine the credibility of this site. I doubt if robo or once fallen would actually stone them so I think it's better left in private or PM's than in the threads.

Yes, there are two different kinds of prophecy but the spelling of those words do not show it. One is the noun and the other is the verb form. Our Bibles refer to prophecy as foretelling the future but it is also described as preaching the word. So, the context is important when reading about them.

 

[bojack]

Yes, there are two different kinds of prophecy but the spelling of those words do not show it. One is the noun and the other is the verb form. Our Bibles refer to prophecy as a foretelling the future but it is also describes as preaching the word. So, the context is important when reading about them.

I use them whichever way they come out but from now on I'll try to get them right ..

 

[Dino246]

Yes, there are two different kinds of prophecy but the spelling of those words do not show it. One is the noun and the other is the verb form. Our Bibles refer to prophecy as foretelling the future but it is also described as preaching the word. So, the context is important when reading about them.

Actually, the spelling does show the difference. “Prophecy” is the noun form, ending in a “see” sound, while “prophesy” is the verb form, ending in a “sigh” sound.

In Scripture, prophesying never means just preaching the already-recorded word of God.

 

[calibob]

Yes, there are two different kinds of prophecy but the spelling of those words do not show it. One is the noun and the other is the verb form. Our Bibles refer to prophecy as foretelling the future but it is also described as preaching the word. So, the context is important when reading about them.

Altho ugh most of the time we read about them they are of god but not always. When Saul stripped naked and layed on the ground in the tent of the meeting he most likely what we call now days ranting like a lunatic, because he had an evil spirit from God and certainly was not a prophet by then. And the 450 Prophets of Baal vs. Elijah were not of God either. Not to mention the 400 of Asherah. There are plenty of warnings to watch out false prophets. Perhaps people possessed by demons can be mistaken for prophets just like Saul.

 

[iamsoandso]

Actually, the spelling does show the difference. “Prophecy” is the noun form, ending in a “see” sound, while “prophesy” is the verb form, ending in a “sigh” sound.

In Scripture, prophesying never means just preaching the already-recorded word of God.

I often wondered how some would see this,

In Joel 2:28 and Acts 2:17 the sons and daughters prophesy(esy) so it is something new. In Matthew 11:13 the prophets and the law prophesied until John. In Luke 24:44 everything written in the law of Moses,prophets and psalms of Jesus must be fulfilled. Then in 1 Corinthians 13:8 they shall fail.

Then so their are at least two groups ending and beginning at John. Now Jesus gave many prophecies after John. The apostles gave prophecies after John. John was told in Revelation 10:11 he must prophesy again and in the prophecy he was given (Revelation 11:3) the two witnesses will prophesy 1260 days so in the prophecy(Revelation) it foretells of prophets to come as part of it's prophesy.

 

[iamsoandso]

I think I may have place an esy in place of an ecy or vise a versa,lol

 

[Deade]

Actually, the spelling does show the difference. “Prophecy” is the noun form, ending in a “see” sound, while “prophesy” is the verb form, ending in a “sigh” sound.

In Scripture, prophesying never means just preaching the already-recorded word of God.

I know of a lot of people that don't agree with you interpretation of this.

 

[notuptome]

It is presumptuous to assume from those verses that these things have been done away with. It does not say that. It is speaking in the future tense, otherwise it would say in v8 for example, that prophesies and tongues 'HAVE BEEN' done away with, rather than 'WILL BE'. This is why in verses 10, 11 & 12 it speaks about the time when we are with Christ. This letter was written after Christ had been on this earth, so these verses are referring to when He returns.

It is presumptuous to state that the future time is when we are with Christ. There will be no need for gifts of the Holy Spirit when we are in our glorified bodies. Israel will find them essential during the end of the great tribulation period which is what Joel 2 is telling us.

The perfect is most probably the completed canon of scripture. When the revelation through scripture had been completed the primary tool for evangelism and sanctification was with the church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[presidente]

There are those who see after an 'experience' rather than after God....and I am reminded of this scripture:

Matthew 7:22-23 King James Version (KJV)
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

said Jesus that Prophet and a wonder worker Who cast out devils to a crowd that probably included disciples who would cash out demons and work wonders.

 

[Dino246]

I know of a lot of people that don't agree with you interpretation of this.

The first part, about word usage, or the second part? I know lots of people who don't agree with the second part, but they are cessationists who have to find some way to expound on Ephesians 4... and relegate pastors/teachers in the process.

 

[Deade]

The first part, about word usage, or the second part? I know lots of people who don't agree with the second part, but they are cessationists who have to find some way to expound on Ephesians 4... and relegate pastors/teachers in the process.

I wasn't objecting about nouns and verbs, that is a given. The second part about what constitutes prophesying: Eph. 4:11, 12 "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"

Prophets = G4396
προφήτης
prophētēs
prof-ay'-tace
From a compound of G4253 and G5346; a foreteller (“prophet”); by analogy an inspired speaker; by extension a poet: - prophet.

Many consider preaching under this definition.

 

[Dino246]

I wasn't objecting about nouns and verbs, that is a given. The second part about what constitutes prophesying: Eph. 4:11, 12 "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"

Prophets = G4396
προφήτης
prophētēs
prof-ay'-tace
From a compound of G4253 and G5346; a foreteller (“prophet”); by analogy an inspired speaker; by extension a poet: - prophet.

Many consider preaching under this definition.

Yes, I realize that. However, there isn't a single person called "prophet" in Scripture whose activity is limited to merely preaching. I don't consider any modern-day preachers to be "inspired" in the same way that Isaiah, Daniel, or Agabus were "inspired".

 

[Deade]

Yes, I realize that. However, there isn't a single person called "prophet" in Scripture whose activity is limited to merely preaching. I don't consider any modern-day preachers to be "inspired" in the same way that Isaiah, Daniel, or Agabus were "inspired".

Well I am always in awe at any anointing of the Holy Spirit. I matters not what our own interpretations are on this subject. What God has proclaimed is there will be two witnesses that will yet astound the world.

 

[Butterflyyy]

said Jesus that Prophet and a wonder worker Who cast out devils to a crowd that probably included disciples who would cash out demons and work wonders.[/QUOTE)
Yes, absolutely... so we must test every Spirit.
I was pointing out to CS1 that there are people who seek after a sign rather than after God.
I am not a Cessationist.

 

[bojack]

Cessationist .. I just looked it up and it says John Calvin come up with the idea .. Is that true ...

 

[Butterflyyy]

Cessationist .. I just looked it up and it says John Calvin come up with the idea .. Is that true ...

Ha probably lol