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Rosemaryx

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Post 115,821

If you cannot give a reasonable argument contra post 115,821, no point in continuing.
This person has been here before , and before that , each time banned , same posting , same answers , never discussion ...
...xox...
 

BillG

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This person has been here before , and before that , each time banned , same posting , same answers , never discussion ...
...xox...
Although not coming in with guns blazing.

If true to form then pictures/videos of hell will be posted.

Notice how saved for/going to hell are creeping in.
 

VCO

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No one has salvation without a glorified body; The redemption of the body is when salvation happens. 99.9% of the people who now claim to be saved are just trying to cover up the fact they are not a correct believer in Jesus Christ; they passionately hate Jesus's sound doctrine.

You are mistaken, BECAUSE you are confusing SALVATION with SANCTIFICATION, THINKING THEY ARE THE SAME THING.

SALVATION happens before the Beginning of TIME, and becomes our personal REALITY the Moment we Truly BElIEVE, and the HOLY SPIRIT BIRTHS our Human Spirit into Eternal LIFE, therefore it is Salvation has to do with the Human Spirit. SALVATION, has nothing to do with the human Body.

Sanctification is a life long Process to molding our Bodies, one step at a time, a WORK of the HOLY SPIRIT, to WALK LIKE JESUS, and it will not be complete until the Resurrection when we get the GLORIFIED BODY. We SERVE HIM because of the LOVE, HE had the Holy Spirit put in Hearts, Rom. 5:5.


2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved usnot by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been 🖜 justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.

John 3:36 (HCSB)
36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life 🖜, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

John 3:3-7 (HCSB)
3 Jesus replied,I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit. 🖜{SALVATION is only of the Human Spirit.}
7 Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.

Romans 6:18-19 (HCSB)
18 and having been liberated from sin, you became enslaved [TRUE OBEDIENCE, is only because we LOVE HIM.] to righteousness.
19 I am using a human analogy because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you offered the parts of yourselves as slaves to moral impurity, and to greater and greater lawlessness, so now offer them as slaves [It is talking about Bondslaves, who willingly and LOVINGLY want to serve the MASTER, because it was a better living than to TRY to provide for themselves.] to righteousness, which results in sanctification. 🖜{SANCTIFICATION is of the Human Body, and is not complete until the Resurrection.}

Romans 8:24-25 (NJB)
24 In hope, we already have salvation 🖜{if we are Born Again}; in hope, not visibly present, or we should not be hoping—nobody goes on hoping for something which is already visible.
25 But having this hope for what we cannot yet see 🖜 [SANCTIFICATION OF THE BODY], we are able to wait for it with persevering confidence.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 (HCSB)

13 But we must always thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God has chosen you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and through belief in the truth. {Remember IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT IN YOU who is maturing our Bodies unto SANCTIFICATION , an ongoing continuing process until the RESURRECTION. SO, give the Holy Spirit the GLORY for Maturing Your Body, and you must accept the responsibility for the FAILURES and Confess Them.}
 

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I do not care whether or not anyone comes in or goes out in this Christian Chat venue. However, this is a discussion forum where the bible can be discussed, honored and sometimes it is blasphemed. If one is disgusted, they should leave. Personally, I like to have discussion about the Word of God and that is why I am here. I also will not hesitate to express my thoughts and scripture to anyone who either tries to add/subtract/distort the Word of God.
 
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Although not coming in with guns blazing.



If true to form then pictures/videos of hell will be posted.



Notice how saved for/going to hell are creeping in.

Part of their stratagem...
divide et impera.
Our soul is not in heaven. Only those who are a correct believer in Jesus Christ go to heaven.
Cause the quarreling and fighting, then step back, have one of their pals jump in afterwards and point fingers.

I have read the majority of this thread and this IMO is why people call christians hypocrites!

The divisions and diversities in interpretations is mind blowing!

Thank God He is JUST and sees ALL,knows ALL!

I will NOT waste my time here among children who try to one up each other......

BYE- BYE!
Talk about hypocrisy...GEESH!
 

VCO

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Those who believe ARE saved.

1 John 5:12-13
Good post, but JadenS has confused Salvation with Sanctification, and therefore he erroneously thinks nobody is saved until we get the Glorified Body, thus HE HAS WONDERED into a DIFFERENT BALL PARK, because of that error. Read my last post to him, maybe if he listens, there may be hope for him.
 
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EleventhHour

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Although not coming in with guns blazing.

If true to form then pictures/videos of hell will be posted.

Notice how saved for/going to hell are creeping in.
Agree!

New style trying to improve longevity....but eventually the true nature rears is head!!
 
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EleventhHour

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He may not be a troll, but if he isn’t, he just needs to read Titus 3:5 and recognize the tense of the verb “save”, and you all have given him plenty to think again and re-examine.
You have high hopes sir... it will take a work of Christ Jesus to remove the blinders.
 

blue_ladybug

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EleventhHour, just one question: since you put an agree on my post that Lordshandmaiden sounds like Leastamongmany, then HOW would you know Least? She left long before you joined.

Unless you were here before, and are trying to confuzzle us.. lol
 

Hevosmies

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I have read the majority of this thread and this IMO is why people call christians hypocrites!

The divisions and diversities in interpretations is mind blowing!

Thank God He is JUST and sees ALL,knows ALL!

I will NOT waste my time here among children who try to one up each other......

BYE- BYE!
It is what it is. SAD that there are diversities of interpretations. Whats the reason for this problem? SIMPLE: People just dont agree with MY interpretation. If everyone of you would just AGREE with my interpretation on EVERYTHING, we would not be so divided. Thanks a lot OTHER PEOPLE for ruining Christianity for us all

Hate to see you go, after such a long career here. We will all miss you!
 

blue_ladybug

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It is what it is. SAD that there are diversities of interpretations. Whats the reason for this problem? SIMPLE: People just dont agree with MY interpretation. If everyone of you would just AGREE with my interpretation on EVERYTHING, we would not be so divided. Thanks a lot OTHER PEOPLE for ruining Christianity for us all

Hate to see you go, after such a long career here. We will all miss you!

"Long career"? He/ she only joined on Friday.. lol
 

Hevosmies

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"Long career"? He/ she only joined on Friday.. lol
Looks like we got ourselves a veteran! She set us straight! Done told us off we're just a bunch of HYPOCRITES.

I wouldn't of believed it but because someone on the internet said it, i'll take it to the bank.
 
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EleventhHour

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EleventhHour, just one question: since you put an agree on my post that Lordshandmaiden sounds like Leastamongmany, then HOW would you know Least? She left long before you joined.

Unless you were here before, and are trying to confuzzle us.. lol
I have actually been reading this thread from the start little at a time when I have time waiting, like in line at the grocery store and such, you know they say we loose five years:eek: of our lives in wait lines, for this reason I now do everything on line, but I do like picking out my own produce so have yet go to having it delivered.

Some places I have read several times, some women have been very interesting let me tell you ;)... you will notice I have mentioned it several times it you go back through the last few weeks.

On the other hand I have read some amazing posts which I have bumped up and will continue to do!!:)
I will look for one of yours.
 
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[6] From which things some going astray, are turned aside unto vain babbling: [7] Desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither the things they say, nor whereof they affirm. [8] But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully: [9] Knowing this, that the law is not made for the just man, but for the unjust and disobedient, for the ungodly, and for sinners, for the wicked and defiled, for murderers of fathers, and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, [10] For fornicators, for them who defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and whatever other thing is contrary to sound doctrine,
 
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[1] I charge thee, before God and Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead, by his coming, and his kingdom: [2] Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine. [3] For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: [4] And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables. [5] But be thou vigilant, labour in all things, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill thy ministry. Be sober.
 
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[6] If any be without crime, the husband of one wife, having faithful children, not accused of riot, or unruly. [7] For a bishop must be without crime, as the steward of God: not proud, not subject to anger, not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre: [8] But given to hospitality, gentle, sober, just, holy, continent: [9] Embracing that faithful word which is according to doctrine, that he may be able to exhort in sound doctrine, and to convince the gainsayers. [10] For there are also many disobedient, vain talkers, and seducers: especially they who are of the circumcision:
 
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[1] But speak thou the things that become sound doctrine: [2] That the aged men be sober, chaste, prudent, sound in faith, in love, in patience. [3] The aged women, in like manner, in holy attire, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teaching well: [4] That they may teach the young women to be wise, to love their husbands, to love their children, [5] To be discreet, chaste, sober, having a care of the house, gentle, obedient to their husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
 
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[1] Whosoever are servants under the yoke, let them count their masters worthy of all honour; lest the name of the Lord and his doctrine be blasphemed. [2] But they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but serve them the rather, because they are faithful and beloved, who are partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. [3] If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to that doctrine which is according to godliness, [4] He is proud, knowing nothing, but sick about questions and strifes of words; from which arise envies, contentions, blasphemies, evil suspicions, [5] Conflicts of men corrupted in mind, and who are destitute of the truth, supposing gain to be godliness.