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[Whispered]

Christ, in fulfilling the moral law, abolished it.

It has been said that Christ, in fulfilling the moral law, actually abolished the Ten Commandments. However, let's take a look at what Jesus actually says in Matthew 5:17–19:

1. "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets" (v. 17). Jesus certainly did not do the very thing that He came not to do!
2. "I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." According to Webster's Dictionary, "fulfill," when applied to a law, means "to answer its demands by obedience." It here means the opposite of "destroy," as in the following scriptures: "And shall not uncircumcision, which is by nature, if it fulfill the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?" (Romans 2:27) "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). "If ye fulfill the royal law, according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well" (James 2:8).
   
   Thus, those who make this argument would have Christ teach that He came not to destroy the law but to destroy the law. That doesn't make sense, does it?
3. "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in nowise pass from the law" (Matthew 5:18). Heaven and earth still remain; thus, we can know from Jesus' own lips that the law was not and has not been abolished.
4. "Till all is fulfilled" (Matthew 5:18). This passage was originally written in Greek. In the Greek language, words that go together must share certain qualities, such as gender or number. The word "all" is neuter in gender and plural in number. Therefore, it cannot refer directly to “law,” which is masculine in gender and singular in number. “All” refers to all things respecting heaven and earth that are spoken of in the prophets (Old Testament).
   
   The term “fulfilled” in this verse comes from a different Greek word than the word “fulfilled” in the expression, "I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill" (verse 17). Here in verse 18, this word means “to come into existence, be created, exist by creation” (William Greenfield, A Greek-English Lexicon to the New Testament). This word “fulfilled” is translated as “made” in John 1:3: "All things were made by him" (KJV). So, again, “fulfill” actually means the opposite of “destroy.”
5. Now comes Christ's own conclusion: "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least [or, as George Campbell renders it, "shall be of no esteem"] in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:19). And to emphasize the poing that the law is not abolished, Christ proceeds to explain certain precepts of the law in question in their most spiritual and comprehensive sense.

This law could not cease when Christ came. Three interesting "tills" or "untils" in the New Testament provides convincing evidence of this truth:

1. "The law and the prophets were until John" (Luke 16:16). At the time of John the Baptist, there was a change in the law and the prophets, when he began preaching the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God did not do away with the law and the prophets but added to them. Christ confirmed this in the next verse, making the law firmer than the very pillars of heaven and earth: "And it is easier," He said, "for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail" (verse 17).
2. "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in nowise pass from the law."
3. "Till all be fulfilled" (Matthew 5:18). That is, ; till all those things to be restored are brought into existence by a new creation. This brings us to the new-earth state, in which righteousness shall dwell (2 Peter 3:13; Psalm 119:172; Isaiah 51:6, 7), and the Sabbath shall continue while eternal ages roll (Isaiah 66:22, 23).

This objection suggests the false doctrine that Christ is the minister of sin. Rather, we believe the Scriptures teach that Christ came to conquer Satan and sin. But according to this objection, the great object of God in sending His Son is frustrated, and Satan and sin triumph at last, for Christ grants men full liberty to transgress all the commandments of God!

As we have seen, the argument that Christ abolished the law is refuted by the Savior’s own words in Matthew chapter 5, by Peter’s prophecy in 2 Peter 3, by the testimony of Old Testament writers in Psalm 119 and Isaiah 51, and by the fact that Christ cannot be the minister of sin.


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[Whispered]

In discussions like this people think that the entire law was nailed to the cross with Jesus. And yet, that's not true. Nor has all been fulfilled, as pertains to Messiah and prophecy surrounding that.

Now, perhaps if we encounter those who argue that the whole law was nailed to the cross, we may think to ask if we're speaking to someone who is of the Roman Catholic persuasion.
"Without the Catholic Church’s teaching authority, we would not know with certainty which purported books of Scripture are authentic. If the Church revealed to us the canon of Scripture, it can also reveal to us the “canon of Tradition” Ray Butterworth

While the church of Christ, the whole body of the faithful who are in Christ, does not see it that way. Not all has yet been fulfilled, as we learn if we read just the chapters in the Book of Revelation.

 

[Blik]

In discussions like this people think that the entire law was nailed to the cross with Jesus. And yet, that's not true. Nor has all been fulfilled, as pertains to Messiah and prophecy surrounding that.

Now, perhaps if we encounter those who argue that the whole law was nailed to the cross, we may think to ask if we're speaking to someone who is of the Roman Catholic persuasion.
"Without the Catholic Church’s teaching authority, we would not know with certainty which purported books of Scripture are authentic. If the Church revealed to us the canon of Scripture, it can also reveal to us the “canon of Tradition” Ray Butterworth

While the church of Christ, the whole body of the faithful who are in Christ, does not see it that way. Not all has yet been fulfilled, as we learn if we read just the chapters in the Book of Revelation.

I can only see the Lord telling us that the law is fulilled, is alive and well, not destroyed as this post says. We are told many things about law, but never that it is destroyed.

We cannot work so perfectly we become as gods, and that perfection is given to us through Christ, not our works. When we accept Christ's perfection for ourselves we die to sin and take on the will for righteousness that is Christ's. Christ fulfills the law for us, it is through Christ we are accepted and our life is saved. Sin kills, but we die to sin we do not wallow in it but stay as completely away from sin as our being human allows us. In other words, through Christ we take on work as we accept Christ in our life. If we hold on to sin we are not holding on to Christ.

The Lord does not want our minds to get all tangled up with such as special diet and circumcision but to accept the spirit of the law. That spirit can be summed up in "love" and every bit of guidance that God gives man is an expression of love. When we sum up God's guidance for us in love we are not doing away with all other guidance, but affirming it. We don't covet, we love. We don't steal we bless. We don't fill our mind with dirty thoughts, we hold to cleanliness. We love, praise, and worship God.

 

[Dino246]

You are right, you consistently accuse rather than discuss what God wants of us.

You have not identified a single accusation that I allegedly consistently make. Either back up your accusations with evidence, or don't post them.

And so I had a temper, your comments on my temper tantrum is off base.

What "comments on your temper tantrum"?

Why not stick to your strange idea of what scripture says?

Why not learn what Scripture actually says?

 

[Blik]

You have not identified a single accusation that I allegedly consistently make. Either back up your accusations with evidence, or don't post them.


What "comments on your temper tantrum"?


Why not learn what Scripture actually says?

Would you please take your own advice, and do this?

 

[Dino246]

Would you please take your own advice, and do this?

I know eleven-year-olds who show more respect than you do. You haven't even begun to demonstrate that I haven't learned what Scripture says.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Which kind of rest or using the Greek sabbath are you talking about? The one shown as a parable in the ten commandments as a shadow? Or the one the shadow points to which we receive when we do mix faith in what we see or hear any time and do not harden of our hearts as the Holy Spirit works in us making our hearts soft?

You know exactly what Sabbath day we are talking about. Let me make this clear, I am not stating that I am trying to make anyone whole the Sabbath, neither does the Sabbath day have anything to do with Salvation. This is all about a specific day God said to hold and keep it holy which is why Yeshua said the Sabbath is made for man can that is because God made it and specifically gave it to man.

By the way, as for resting in the Lord, I can show you passages in the Scripture prior to Yeshua's birth that some of God's people rest in the Lord and they were still holding the Sabbath. So, the question to you, if they rested in the Lord and still held the Sabbath, why would it change, wouldn't it be the same in the time of Yeshua, he is the Lord and the Sabbath is of the Lord, God specifically gave it.

 

[Grandpa]

The moral law will govern the believer all the days of their life. Christian a punished for violating the law just as unbelievers. The letter of the law does not heal and quicken ones souls

Big difference between the letter of the law that kills .And a ceremonial law as a shadow. The jots and tittles in the latter law (ceremonial) where never used as the letter of the law that kills .The letter of the moral law will keep condemning sin in men till the new order appears . The letter of the law "death" will have been tossed into the eternal judgment. . . never to rise and condemn a entire creation ever again.

No need for ceremonial laws used as shadow of the good thing to come in the new.

Colossians 2:16-18 King James Version (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Seeing a shadow is not seeing the substance. Just that puffed up (an illusion) by one own fleshly mind

No need for ceremonial laws. But they are all part of the ONE Law.

There is no SEPARATION of any parts of the law allowed ANYWHERE in the bible. It is one, whole way.


But the Lord Jesus has instituted a Whole New Way. One that doesn't use the Ministration of Condemnation and Death written on stones. But one that uses Faith in Him and the creation of the New Man.

How come no one believes?


How can this even be in the bible if some "moral" law governs the believer their whole life?
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

What is being said here is that Grace is what Governs the Christian and not some "moral" law.

 

[Grandpa]

In discussions like this people think that the entire law was nailed to the cross with Jesus. And yet, that's not true. Nor has all been fulfilled, as pertains to Messiah and prophecy surrounding that.

Now, perhaps if we encounter those who argue that the whole law was nailed to the cross, we may think to ask if we're speaking to someone who is of the Roman Catholic persuasion.
"Without the Catholic Church’s teaching authority, we would not know with certainty which purported books of Scripture are authentic. If the Church revealed to us the canon of Scripture, it can also reveal to us the “canon of Tradition” Ray Butterworth

While the church of Christ, the whole body of the faithful who are in Christ, does not see it that way. Not all has yet been fulfilled, as we learn if we read just the chapters in the Book of Revelation.

Not one jot or one tittle will fall until ALL IS FULFILLED.

Do you still sacrifice animals? As a Christian?

So you still celebrate Jewish Festivals? As a Christian?

Do you practice eating clean meats and abstaining from "unclean"? As a Christian?

Do you ensure that none of your clothing has different types of materials? As a Christian?


These are all jots and tittles. If you believe in Christ and what He has said and done then if the least jot or tittle has fallen from the law then ALL has been Fulfilled.

Nowhere has the Lord ever stated that He came to fulfill part of the law or part of the prophets and that we would still be under all the law that He didn't fulfill.



How can the Lord offer rest to people if rest is an impossibility? If the law is not fulfilled then work at it is still a requirement. And rest from it is impossible.

This is an issue of FAITH and not an issue of the intellect. If it were merely an issue of the intellect people wouldn't be blind to it but would immediately see the error of what they are proposing and how it contradicts Christ.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

The Colossians were mostly Gentiles, it appears that the Apostle Paul was warning the that body of Christ that they will be judged by the food they abstain from, by keeping the Sabbath, etc, but that they are shadows of things to come. The Tabernacle was a shadow of something to come, in the say manner manner, the Sabbath that is being held is a shadow of something to come when it will be held the way God intended it to be held.

I will look more into this because I and post, so anyone that wants to refute the above, wait until I come back with what I learned before refute the above statement, fair?

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

No need for ceremonial laws. But they are all part of the ONE Law.

There is no SEPARATION of any parts of the law allowed ANYWHERE in the bible. It is one, whole way.


But the Lord Jesus has instituted a Whole New Way. One that doesn't use the Ministration of Condemnation and Death written on stones. But one that uses Faith in Him and the creation of the New Man.

How come no one believes?


How can this even be in the bible if some "moral" law governs the believer their whole life?
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

What is being said here is that Grace is what Governs the Christian and not some "moral" law.

Read the entire verse... Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. There are many things that have been fulfilled, like the sacrifice of animal and what was not fulfill will fulfilled, this has nothing to do with removing the Sabbath, one say it will be fulfill the way God intended. My previously post to you I explained it the way I am seeing it, but I will do a little more reading and get back.

 

[garee]

No need for ceremonial laws. But they are all part of the ONE Law.

There is no SEPARATION of any parts of the law allowed ANYWHERE in the bible. It is one, whole way.


But the Lord Jesus has instituted a Whole New Way. One that doesn't use the Ministration of Condemnation and Death written on stones. But one that uses Faith in Him and the creation of the New Man.

How come no one believes?


How can this even be in the bible if some "moral" law governs the believer their whole life?
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

What is being said here is that Grace is what Governs the Christian and not some "moral" law.

There is a need for them in so much they as shadows preach the gospel in respect to the His suffering and the glory that did follow. You could say the unseen faith as a shadow that moves ahead to it final goal the salvation of our soul . So they fill a need as a outward demonstration but do not profit as a mere shadow . the separation is cerinimoinal and the substance not seen the eternal .Never after the temporal that fades away but the light that gets brigher .

Sin does not have dominion over a believer .When they deny Christ in unbelief (no faith) Because he promise us if He has begun the good work of salvation in us working with us he will finish it . When we deny him he does deny us but because he cannot deny the many that the father gave him he cannot deny the power to work in us to finishes the promise

Moral laws work to keep Christian out of Jail .Going to jail does not make the faith of Christ that works with in us to no effect .

 

[Blik]

Read the entire verse... Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. There are many things that have been fulfilled, like the sacrifice of animal and what was not fulfill will fulfilled, this has nothing to do with removing the Sabbath, one say it will be fulfill the way God intended. My previously post to you I explained it the way I am seeing it, but I will do a little more reading and get back.

To me it seems plain that when God tells us Christ fulfills the law God is telling us that through what Christ does for us the law does not kill, Christ fulfills it.

When we accept what Christ does about the killing power of our sin we die to sin, we accept Christ within our hearts and minds. We cannot have Christ within us and want to sin for that is opposed to Christ. We take on striving for righteousness.

 

[Whispered]

You know exactly what Sabbath day we are talking about. Let me make this clear, I am not stating that I am trying to make anyone whole the Sabbath, neither does the Sabbath day have anything to do with Salvation. This is all about a specific day God said to hold and keep it holy which is why Yeshua said the Sabbath is made for man can that is because God made it and specifically gave it to man.

By the way, as for resting in the Lord, I can show you passages in the Scripture prior to Yeshua's birth that some of God's people rest in the Lord and they were still holding the Sabbath. So, the question to you, if they rested in the Lord and still held the Sabbath, why would it change, wouldn't it be the same in the time of Yeshua, he is the Lord and the Sabbath is of the Lord, God specifically gave it.

Why argue this at all? Those who do not keep the Sabbath are as entitled as those who do. Sabbath is sundown Friday unto sundown Saturday.
Remember the passage that tells you it is of no matter?
16.Therefore let no one sit in judgment on you in matters of food and drink, or with regard to a feast day or a New Moon or a Sabbath.
The Book of Colossians chapter 2


I think the mistake we make in discussions like this is thinking we have to change someones mind about a thing. The Sabbath , in this case.
No, we're not duty bound to do that. On either side of this particular question or any topic in Apologetics, Soteriology, etc...
God isn't going to condemn a Christian Sabbath keeper.

 

[Whispered]

Not one jot or one tittle will fall until ALL IS FULFILLED.

Do you still sacrifice animals? As a Christian?

So you still celebrate Jewish Festivals? As a Christian?

Do you practice eating clean meats and abstaining from "unclean"? As a Christian?

Do you ensure that none of your clothing has different types of materials? As a Christian?


These are all jots and tittles. If you believe in Christ and what He has said and done then if the least jot or tittle has fallen from the law then ALL has been Fulfilled.

Nowhere has the Lord ever stated that He came to fulfill part of the law or part of the prophets and that we would still be under all the law that He didn't fulfill.



How can the Lord offer rest to people if rest is an impossibility? If the law is not fulfilled then work at it is still a requirement. And rest from it is impossible.

This is an issue of FAITH and not an issue of the intellect. If it were merely an issue of the intellect people wouldn't be blind to it but would immediately see the error of what they are proposing and how it contradicts Christ.

Has ALL been fulfilled?
Maybe read the Beatitudes, chapters 5,6, and 7, in The Book of Matthew. Notice anything there? Sound familiar?

 

[Whispered]

To me it seems plain that when God tells us Christ fulfills the law God is telling us that through what Christ does for us the law does not kill, Christ fulfills it.

When we accept what Christ does about the killing power of our sin we die to sin, we accept Christ within our hearts and minds. We cannot have Christ within us and want to sin for that is opposed to Christ. We take on striving for righteousness.

Jesus fulfilled the law meaning, if you just break down that word, that He fully filled every tenet of the law as a perfect sinless wholly man, wholly holy God.
What happens sometimes in discussions like this is people think Jesus fulfilled the law and the law no longer matters. That's because they willfully ignored the first part of Jesus own statement. He did not come to abolish the law.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

To me it seems plain that when God tells us Christ fulfills the law God is telling us that through what Christ does for us the law does not kill, Christ fulfills it.

When we accept what Christ does about the killing power of our sin we die to sin, we accept Christ within our hearts and minds. We cannot have Christ within us and want to sin for that is opposed to Christ. We take on striving for righteousness.

Yeshua took the curse of the law to the cross, not the law. I will not get into the Greek language because I do not want to write a page, but Yeshua made it clear that he came not to destroy the law, or the prophets, I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Fulfill what? Read the chapters prior to Mathew 5:17 and you will see that he was fulfilling things that were spoken of him, which was why he was able to say I come to fulfill. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

If you read Luke 24:44, sometime after Yeshua resurrected he appeared to his and he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you while I was yet with you (this insinuate that he spoke the following words before his resurrection), that all things must be fulfilled (in other words, not everything is yet fulfilled), which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning me. Mathew 5:17 is actually that he is coming to fulfill all that was spoken of him.

Read these two following lines...

- I come not to destroy the law, but to fulfill
- I come not to destroy the prophets, but to fulfill

The question is, what did he come to fulfill? The answer is Luke 24:44 You are correct, when you said, he did not come to destroy the law, neither to do away with them, but to fulfill what was spoken of him in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning him. Because of Luke 24:44, it is safe to say that Mathew 5:17 is implying to the following... I come not to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the Psalms.

It is just like the Sabbath day, it was given as a command for man to rest from his own work not to rest in a person, but to rest from his own work and to keep holy, in other words, a day to dedicate to God, this does not mean that we serve God one day, we serve him seven days a week. This is why Yeshua was able to say, the Sabbath was made for man because if you read Exodus 20 it says the Sabbath is of the LORD.

Those who wanted nothing to do with the Jews they knew exactly what they were doing by removing the Sabbath day. they separated themselves from the Jews by distorting the word of God when it came to the Sabbath day, they did this to separate themselves from true Jewish Christianity doctrine because they wanted nothing to do with the Jews. By the way, I am not implying that today's Christians are not save, they are saved and I call them my brethren as long as they are following Yeshua.

 

[garee]

Yeshua took the curse of the law to the cross, not the law. I will not get into the Greek language because I do not want to write a page, but Yeshua made it clear that he came not to destroy the law, or the prophets, I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Fulfill what? Read the chapters prior to Mathew 5:17 and you will see that he was fulfilling things that were spoken of him, which was why he was able to say I come to fulfill. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

If you read Luke 24:44, sometime after Yeshua resurrected he appeared to his and he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you while I was yet with you (this insinuate that he spoke the following words before his resurrection), that all things must be fulfilled (in other words, not everything is yet fulfilled), which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning me. Mathew 5:17 is actually that he is coming to fulfill all that was spoken of him.

Read these two following lines...

- I come not to destroy the law, but to fulfill
- I come not to destroy the prophets, but to fulfill

The question is, what did he come to fulfill? The answer is Luke 24:44 You are correct, when you said, he did not come to destroy the law, neither to do away with them, but to fulfill what was spoken of him in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning him. Because of Luke 24:44, it is safe to say that Mathew 5:17 is implying to the following... I come not to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the Psalms.

It is just like the Sabbath day, it was given as a command for man to rest from his own work not to rest in a person, but to rest from his own work and to keep holy, in other words, a day to dedicate to God, this does not mean that we serve God one day, we serve him seven days a week. This is why Yeshua was able to say, the Sabbath was made for man because if you read Exodus 20 it says the Sabbath is of the LORD.

Those who wanted nothing to do with the Jews they knew exactly what they were doing by removing the Sabbath day. they separated themselves from the Jews by distorting the word of God when it came to the Sabbath day, they did this to separate themselves from true Jewish Christianity doctrine because they wanted nothing to do with the Jews. By the way, I am not implying that today's Christians are not save, they are saved and I call them my brethren as long as they are following Yeshua.

It is not the Jews we are to gather ourselves together with as if God was served by human hands and exclusively of a Jew. We gather together in respect to the spirit of faith Christ not of our own selves. .This is when two or three humans from any nation gather , he is there.

I don't think rightly divided the two kinds of laws as a must .Moral and ceremonial. It has nothing to do with not wanting nothing to do with Jewish flesh . as if we did wrestles against flesh and blood the temporal things seen or if we supported by them and not the eternal unseen things of faith

It has nothing to do with Jewish flesh. Jewish flesh is used to represent mankind as a whole throughout the Bible .From the call of Abraham "father of many nations" to represent our un seen God it was never about the flesh . . . what the eyes see. .the temporal. It like the animals used in ceremonial laws are used as shadows to represent clean as in born again. . like the a lamb or unclean as in no faith like a Ass. That a Ass if not redeemed by a lamb break the neck to indicate not saved mercy and grace

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Why argue this at all? Those who do not keep the Sabbath are as entitled as those who do. Sabbath is sundown Friday unto sundown Saturday.
Remember the passage that tells you it is of no matter?
16.Therefore let no one sit in judgment on you in matters of food and drink, or with regard to a feast day or a New Moon or a Sabbath.
The Book of Colossians chapter 2


I think the mistake we make in discussions like this is thinking we have to change someones mind about a thing. The Sabbath , in this case.
No, we're not duty bound to do that. On either side of this particular question or any topic in Apologetics, Soteriology, etc...
God isn't going to condemn a Christian Sabbath keeper.

As previously stated and what you fell to acknowledge, Colossians were mostly Gentiles and the Apostle Paul is talking to Gentiles telling them do let no man judge you of the Sabbath and so on, why? Because that was what they were holding. No where in the Scripture and you show me that the Sabbath day was done away with, give me one verse because you are interpreting Colossians to suit you view

Why argue this at all? Those who do not keep the Sabbath are as entitled as those who do. Sabbath is sundown Friday unto sundown Saturday.
Remember the passage that tells you it is of no matter?
16.Therefore let no one sit in judgment on you in matters of food and drink, or with regard to a feast day or a New Moon or a Sabbath.
The Book of Colossians chapter 2


I think the mistake we make in discussions like this is thinking we have to change someones mind about a thing. The Sabbath , in this case.
No, we're not duty bound to do that. On either side of this particular question or any topic in Apologetics, Soteriology, etc...
God isn't going to condemn a Christian Sabbath keeper.

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You are interpreting Colossians to suit you view, but fail to acknowledge that the Apostle Paul is talking to mostly Gentiles and by him saying to not let anyone judge you of the Sabbath and so on, he is insinuating that they was keeping the Sabbath.

I will not get into the Greek language, but Yeshua made it clear that he came not to destroy the law, or the prophets, I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Fulfill what? Read the chapters prior to Mathew 5:17 and you will see that he was fulfilling things that were spoken of him, which was why he was able to say I come to fulfill. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

If you read Luke 24:44, sometime after Yeshua resurrected he appeared to his and he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you while I was yet with you (this insinuate that he spoke the following words before his resurrection), that all things must be fulfilled (in other words, not everything is yet fulfilled, but will), which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning me. Mathew 5:17 is actually is saying that he came to fulfill that which was spoken of him, in will fulfill more.

Read these two following lines...

- I come not to destroy the law, but to fulfill
- I come not to destroy the prophets, but to fulfill

The question is, what did he come to fulfill? The answer is Luke 24:44, he did not come to destroy the law, neither to do away with them, but to fulfill what was spoken of him in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning him. Because of Luke 24:44, it is safe to say that Mathew 5:17 is implying to the following... I come not to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law of Moses or the prophets.

The Sabbath day was given as a command for man to rest from his own work not to rest in a person, but to rest from his own work and to keep holy, in other words, a day to dedicate to God, this does not mean that we serve God one day, we serve him seven days a week. This is why Yeshua was able to say, the Sabbath was made for man because if you read Exodus 20 it says the Sabbath is of the LORD and yes, he is the LORD of the Sabbath the specific day that God instituted and also the lord of the other days.

Those who wanted nothing to do with the Jews they knew exactly what they were doing by removing the Sabbath day. they separated themselves from the Jews by distorting the word of God when it came to the Sabbath day, they did this to separate themselves from true Jewish Christianity doctrine because they wanted nothing to do with the Jews. By the way, I am not implying that today's Christians are not save, they are saved and I call them my brethren as long as they are following Yeshua. In addition, I will not burden my Christian brethren with the Sabbath, I will state what God made clear when he first spoke and the Spirit of God is the one that will open the eyes of understanding. So to answer your question, I am not here to change minds, that is not my job, the probably with you, you are always assuming, like you assume so much about me. You need to stop assuming, presently you view and give doctrine, not what you think it is say, or what others think what it is saying, but what God made clear when he first wrote.

You are correct, God will not condemn a Sabbath keeper, but he will judge those who do not keep his Sabbath, the specific day that he commanded. As for the Gentile, all through the book of the Acts Gentiles were meeting on the Sabbath day and you cannot argue which I am sure you agree and if this is a true statement then who changed it? Not Yeshua, none of the Apostles were told to teach that the Sabbath day was not to be held, if it does then show me Scriptures. Nowadays, Most Christian Gentiles do not hold it because they have adapted to this false teaching that the Sabbath was done away with.

Amazing the one day God specifically gave to hold satan is making sure that no one keeps it. Have you ever though of that? My job is not to judge a brethren, but to allow the Spirit of God to teach sound doctrine according the word of God, what God made clear when he first spoke.

 

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It is not the Jews we are to gather ourselves together with as if God was served by human hands and exclusively of a Jew. We gather together in respect to the spirit of faith Christ not of our own selves. .This is when two or three humans from any nation gather , he is there.

I don't think rightly divided the two kinds of laws as a must .Moral and ceremonial. It has nothing to do with not wanting nothing to do with Jewish flesh . as if we did wrestles against flesh and blood the temporal things seen or if we supported by them and not the eternal unseen things of faith

It has nothing to do with Jewish flesh. Jewish flesh is used to represent mankind as a whole throughout the Bible .From the call of Abraham "father of many nations" to represent our un seen God it was never about the flesh . . . what the eyes see. .the temporal. It like the animals used in ceremonial laws are used as shadows to represent clean as in born again. . like the a lamb or unclean as in no faith like a Ass. That a Ass if not redeemed by a lamb break the neck to indicate not saved mercy and grace

I am not talking about gathering, I am talking about what the Rome did to separate themselves from the Jewish people, they wanted nothing to do with the Jews and when can see this from the Scriptures, they were persecuting the Jews. I am not talking about the laws of sacrificing animals, that was fulfilled by Yeshua once and form all.

Where can I send you a file I wrote in a PDF form, you can read it and respond, I have other information on it.

Many say that the Sabbath is done away with, but they cannot substantiate their view with through the Scriptures.