Which gospel?
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when someone gives you a thumbs down for praising the work of God on the moment of adopting you into his family, and filling you with his spirit, you know something is seriously wrong 
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This is funny.I was not saved at my water baptism. I received POWER at my water baptism.
Why is it that any and all obedience is instantly understood as works salvation by church people?
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This is funny.I was not saved at my water baptism. I received POWER at my water baptism.
Why is it that any and all obedience is instantly understood as works salvation by church people?
you recieved power the moment you were saved when you were baptized by God ( if you were baptized by god)
not when you were water baptized in water by another sinner. that’s religion and a misinterpretation of gods word
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I received boldness in the power of the Spirit after my water baptism, two months after being born again. I'm sorry if that doesn't fit into your presuppositions, but, hey, what happened is what happened. Your theology doesn't change that.
The church reminds me of when Gilligan was flying and Skipper told him to get down from there because he can't fly. And Gilligan said, "I can't?" and immediately fell to the ground.
The church is great and keeping people from what the church has deemed as impossible (not scriptural, passed away, etc.) because of some doctrine the church created that says it's impossible.
The church reminds me of when Gilligan was flying and Skipper told him to get down from there because he can't fly. And Gilligan said, "I can't?" and immediately fell to the ground.
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Wait for it....
Wait and see how the analogy gets twisted until it means what the naysayers say is right.
Wait and see how the analogy gets twisted until it means what the naysayers say is right.
instead of puffing up your work start puffing up gods work
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This is funny.I was not saved at my water baptism. I received POWER at my water baptism.
Why is it that any and all obedience is instantly understood as works salvation by church people?
This is funny.I was not saved at my water baptism. I received POWER at my water baptism.
Why is it that any and all obedience is instantly understood as works salvation by church people?
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11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body [h]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the [i]handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
here we have words of paul which are sadly misinterpreted by so many, and twisted to make it appear paul is promoting something he never even hinted at saying, a passage which speaks of the literal or spiritual fulfilment of two symbolic traditions of Gods people (circumcision and water baptism) and how these spiritual realities empower gods children by nailing the penalty of the law on the cross
lets take a close look at these words..
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands,
this is speaking of the time when we were circumcised with the circumcision perform by the hands of god. The spiritual circumcision where our souls were made clean.
by putting off the body [h]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
here paul shows us it was the physical circucmcision of Christ on the cross, which when applied to,us, puts or cuts off our body of sins of the flesh.
he then goes to show how this spiritual circumcision done without hands take place.
12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
Paul now speaks of another tradition or work, which is symbolically fulfilled, the spiritual baptism performed by god himself, the same baptism prophesied by John the baptist (you will be baptized) also known as the baptism of the Hs, the act of god baptising us into Christ, where our sins are washed or cut (circumcised) away.
the result of this spiritual baptism/circumcision?
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the [i]handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
the end result, the salvation of our souls
it saddens me to no end that people will take this triumphant work of god in our salvation. The moment we call out to god, and twist it to mean some physical act of water baptism
1. it takes the work of god in spiritual baptism and makes it a work of man
2. it takes the work of god in spiritual circumcision as in reality the work of some human who baptizes us in water
3. It takes the spiritual act of god saving us from Our sins and turns it into a works based gospel of man washing our sins by dunking us in water.
it may sound good, but in reality it takes the work of god and credit due him and gives it to the man who baptized us and takes credit away from god.
here we have words of paul which are sadly misinterpreted by so many, and twisted to make it appear paul is promoting something he never even hinted at saying, a passage which speaks of the literal or spiritual fulfilment of two symbolic traditions of Gods people (circumcision and water baptism) and how these spiritual realities empower gods children by nailing the penalty of the law on the cross
lets take a close look at these words..
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands,
this is speaking of the time when we were circumcised with the circumcision perform by the hands of god. The spiritual circumcision where our souls were made clean.
by putting off the body [h]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
here paul shows us it was the physical circucmcision of Christ on the cross, which when applied to,us, puts or cuts off our body of sins of the flesh.
he then goes to show how this spiritual circumcision done without hands take place.
12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
Paul now speaks of another tradition or work, which is symbolically fulfilled, the spiritual baptism performed by god himself, the same baptism prophesied by John the baptist (you will be baptized) also known as the baptism of the Hs, the act of god baptising us into Christ, where our sins are washed or cut (circumcised) away.
the result of this spiritual baptism/circumcision?
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the [i]handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
the end result, the salvation of our souls
it saddens me to no end that people will take this triumphant work of god in our salvation. The moment we call out to god, and twist it to mean some physical act of water baptism
1. it takes the work of god in spiritual baptism and makes it a work of man
2. it takes the work of god in spiritual circumcision as in reality the work of some human who baptizes us in water
3. It takes the spiritual act of god saving us from Our sins and turns it into a works based gospel of man washing our sins by dunking us in water.
it may sound good, but in reality it takes the work of god and credit due him and gives it to the man who baptized us and takes credit away from god.
God adds them. Check out his Word and find out what faith that is not dead looks like and become a house built on the rock. Stop doing things on your own initiative and walk as Jesus did. Don't be a branch that gets cut off. Religion is a bad trip. Don't be a willing party to His vomiting you out of His mouth because of your complacency and lack of the Fear of the Lord.
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