I stand at the door

[wattie]

In Revelation 3:20 Jesus says 'I Stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.' KJV

Now this verse often gets used in talking about receiving eternal life.

It is one of those verses though that has context giving it a different meaning.

So what Jesus is saying could very well apply to receiving eternal life ..

If it was actually about that!

So some contextual things...

1 Its about the Loadicean church

2 the surrounding verses are about overcoming luke-warmness.. buying gold 'tried in the fire' .. overcoming to sit with Jesus in His throne.

There are other verses like this.. where the verse alone can be perfectly applicable to something but when looking at the context aren't really about that thing.

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

In Revelation 3:20 Jesus says 'I Stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.' KJV

Now this verse often gets used in talking about receiving eternal life.

It is one of those verses though that has context giving it a different meaning.

So what Jesus is saying could very well apply to receiving eternal life ..

If it was actually about that!

So some contextual things...

1 Its about the Loadicean church

2 the surrounding verses are about overcoming luke-warmness.. buying gold 'tried in the fire' .. overcoming to sit with Jesus in His throne.

There are other verses like this.. where the verse alone can be perfectly applicable to something but when looking at the context aren't really about that thing.

So what is it really talking about, if what you mentioned is not eternal life? Also, what or who is the Laodicean church?

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Please read this and study this because the time is near!

Your Word for Today

"Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s Righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the Righteousness of God (Rom. 10:1-3).

The main purpose of the Holy Spirit giving us, through Paul, Chapters 9 through 11 of Romans was not, as stated, for Prophetical analysis, even though that, in measure, was given, but rather to warn the Church. If the Church follows in Israel’s footsteps by being ignorant of God’s Righteousness or by refusing God’s Righteousness, attempting, as Israel, to establish its own righteousness, the Church will be cut off just as Israel was cut off.

Concerning this, Paul said, “For if God spared not the natural branches (Israel), take heed lest He also spare not you (refers to the Church, as is obvious). Behold, therefore the goodness and severity of God (don’t mistake the Goodness of God for license): on them which fell, severity (speaks of Judgment which came on Israel, God’s chosen People); but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His Goodness (proclaims the conditions; the continuing of that “Goodness” pertains to continued Faith in Christ and the Cross): otherwise you also shall be cut off” (Rom. 11:21-22).

“God’s Righteousness” is that which is afforded by Jesus Christ, gained by and through the Cross. The only way that God’s Righteousness can be given to anyone is by virtue of the Cross, which demands Faith on the part of the recipient. If one attempts to gain righteousness by any other manner, the Lord refers to it as “self-righteousness,” and it is unacceptable — totally unacceptable!

I ask the following question:

How much is the modern Church preaching the Cross? The answer screams back at us, “Precious little!”

The Church has already apostatized. The Church Age opened with Christ standing in the midst of the candlesticks, in which the candlesticks represent the Church (Rev. 1:12-13). At the close of the Church Age, which pertains to the present time, we no longer find Christ in the midst of the Church, but rather outside, knocking on the door, trying to get in (Rev. 3:17-20). The Lord is, in fact, no longer dealing with the institutionalized Church as a whole, but rather with individuals only.

To be sure, the Lord has always dealt with individuals, but now it is only individuals.

“If any man hear My Voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me” (Rev. 3:20). So, who presently is saved?

It is the same now as it was with Israel of old.

Paul said, “Even so then at this present time (Paul’s day) also there is a Remnant according to the election of Grace (definitely speaks of Predestination, but not as many think; it is the “Remnant” that is elected or predestined, not who will be in the Remnant).

“And if by Grace (the Goodness of God, all made possible by the Cross), then is it no more of works (no one can point to their works as grounds for Salvation): otherwise Grace is no more Grace (if works are mixed with Grace, they nullify Grace). But if it be of works, then is it no more Grace (works can never produce Grace): otherwise work is no more work” (for example, Water Baptism, if acted upon wrongly, nullifies its true meaning; this also holds true for all other great Ordinances of the Lord) (Rom. 11:5-6).

As there was a “Remnant” in Israel who were saved, meaning that most were lost, likewise, there also is a “Remnant” in the modern Church who are saved, but only a Remnant. Israel had rejected much of that which was of the Lord, but when they rejected the Cross, there was nothing left. They were cut off. The modern Church has done the same thing. It has rejected much which is of the Lord, but now it is rejecting the Cross. As with Israel, if the Cross is rejected, that means the Righteousness of God is rejected, and that means the Church is also cut off — except for the “Remnant.”

Are you in the Remnant?

The only way that anyone can be in the Remnant is by accepting Christ and what Christ did at the Cross. There is no other way!"’

—Donnie Swaggart (taken from the “Word for Every Day”)
Donnie Swaggart

 

[dcontroversal]

In Revelation 3:20 Jesus says 'I Stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.' KJV

Now this verse often gets used in talking about receiving eternal life.

It is one of those verses though that has context giving it a different meaning.

So what Jesus is saying could very well apply to receiving eternal life ..

If it was actually about that!

So some contextual things...

1 Its about the Loadicean church

2 the surrounding verses are about overcoming luke-warmness.. buying gold 'tried in the fire' .. overcoming to sit with Jesus in His throne.

There are other verses like this.. where the verse alone can be perfectly applicable to something but when looking at the context aren't really about that thing.

Amen Brother.....it is addressed to a church, one of seven in Asia....a body identified as a church is made up of LIVING STONES that have already been saved and identified with Christ by immersion which is the 1st act of obedience and happens to also be our public testimony of faith....It is utterly amazing how many within the ranks of so called Chrisitianity read in that which is not stated within the frame work of these 7 addressed churches.....like the word KEEP applied to the Faithful CHURCH....the word means to protect or guard from loss or harm, not REMOVE like many like to say (rapture).............

 

[John146]

In Revelation 3:20 Jesus says 'I Stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.' KJV

Now this verse often gets used in talking about receiving eternal life.

It is one of those verses though that has context giving it a different meaning.

So what Jesus is saying could very well apply to receiving eternal life ..

If it was actually about that!

So some contextual things...

1 Its about the Loadicean church

2 the surrounding verses are about overcoming luke-warmness.. buying gold 'tried in the fire' .. overcoming to sit with Jesus in His throne.

There are other verses like this.. where the verse alone can be perfectly applicable to something but when looking at the context aren't really about that thing.

Amen brother. In a day where most churches will allow anything into their doors except the Lord Jesus Christ. The world and the things of it is welcomed but not the Savior.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Please read this and study this because the time is near!

Your Word for Today

"Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s Righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the Righteousness of God (Rom. 10:1-3).

The main purpose of the Holy Spirit giving us, through Paul, Chapters 9 through 11 of Romans was not, as stated, for Prophetical analysis, even though that, in measure, was given, but rather to warn the Church. If the Church follows in Israel’s footsteps by being ignorant of God’s Righteousness or by refusing God’s Righteousness, attempting, as Israel, to establish its own righteousness, the Church will be cut off just as Israel was cut off.

Concerning this, Paul said, “For if God spared not the natural branches (Israel), take heed lest He also spare not you (refers to the Church, as is obvious). Behold, therefore the goodness and severity of God (don’t mistake the Goodness of God for license): on them which fell, severity (speaks of Judgment which came on Israel, God’s chosen People); but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His Goodness (proclaims the conditions; the continuing of that “Goodness” pertains to continued Faith in Christ and the Cross): otherwise you also shall be cut off” (Rom. 11:21-22).

“God’s Righteousness” is that which is afforded by Jesus Christ, gained by and through the Cross. The only way that God’s Righteousness can be given to anyone is by virtue of the Cross, which demands Faith on the part of the recipient. If one attempts to gain righteousness by any other manner, the Lord refers to it as “self-righteousness,” and it is unacceptable — totally unacceptable!

I ask the following question:

How much is the modern Church preaching the Cross? The answer screams back at us, “Precious little!”

The Church has already apostatized. The Church Age opened with Christ standing in the midst of the candlesticks, in which the candlesticks represent the Church (Rev. 1:12-13). At the close of the Church Age, which pertains to the present time, we no longer find Christ in the midst of the Church, but rather outside, knocking on the door, trying to get in (Rev. 3:17-20). The Lord is, in fact, no longer dealing with the institutionalized Church as a whole, but rather with individuals only.

To be sure, the Lord has always dealt with individuals, but now it is only individuals.

“If any man hear My Voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with Me” (Rev. 3:20). So, who presently is saved?

It is the same now as it was with Israel of old.

Paul said, “Even so then at this present time (Paul’s day) also there is a Remnant according to the election of Grace (definitely speaks of Predestination, but not as many think; it is the “Remnant” that is elected or predestined, not who will be in the Remnant).

“And if by Grace (the Goodness of God, all made possible by the Cross), then is it no more of works (no one can point to their works as grounds for Salvation): otherwise Grace is no more Grace (if works are mixed with Grace, they nullify Grace). But if it be of works, then is it no more Grace (works can never produce Grace): otherwise work is no more work” (for example, Water Baptism, if acted upon wrongly, nullifies its true meaning; this also holds true for all other great Ordinances of the Lord) (Rom. 11:5-6).

As there was a “Remnant” in Israel who were saved, meaning that most were lost, likewise, there also is a “Remnant” in the modern Church who are saved, but only a Remnant. Israel had rejected much of that which was of the Lord, but when they rejected the Cross, there was nothing left. They were cut off. The modern Church has done the same thing. It has rejected much which is of the Lord, but now it is rejecting the Cross. As with Israel, if the Cross is rejected, that means the Righteousness of God is rejected, and that means the Church is also cut off — except for the “Remnant.”

Are you in the Remnant?

The only way that anyone can be in the Remnant is by accepting Christ and what Christ did at the Cross. There is no other way!"’

—Donnie Swaggart (taken from the “Word for Every Day”)
Donnie Swaggart

 

[wattie]

So what is it really talking about, if what you mentioned is not eternal life? Also, what or who is the Laodicean church?

The Loadicean church is a type representing any luke-warm church. Neither hot nor cold.

The age we live in now is like this for churches.

Churches that are materialistic, have watered down the gospel, but still believe in some sense.

So Jesus standing at the door..

Jesus is prompting churches like this to be 'tried in the fire' .. taking His Word seriously. Overcoming luke-warmness

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

The Loadicean church is a type representing any luke-warm church. Neither hot nor cold.

The age we live in now is like this for churches.

Churches that are materialistic, have watered down the gospel, but still believe in some sense.

So Jesus standing at the door..

Jesus is prompting churches like this to be 'tried in the fire' .. taking His Word seriously. Overcoming luke-warmness

So its not any one particular denomination then?

 

[wattie]

So its not any one particular denomination then?

No.. not a particular denomination. And a church is also not a building. ..but the local congregation of saved, baptized believers

 

[Guojing]

In Revelation 3:20 Jesus says 'I Stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.' KJV

Now this verse often gets used in talking about receiving eternal life.

It is one of those verses though that has context giving it a different meaning.

So what Jesus is saying could very well apply to receiving eternal life ..

If it was actually about that!

So some contextual things...

1 Its about the Loadicean church

2 the surrounding verses are about overcoming luke-warmness.. buying gold 'tried in the fire' .. overcoming to sit with Jesus in His throne.

There are other verses like this.. where the verse alone can be perfectly applicable to something but when looking at the context aren't really about that thing.

Some pastors believe that the passage is referring to the unbelievers in that church, so yes, Billy Graham was not wrong in using that passage in his rallies.

 

[dodgingstones]

It's clear none of the Congregation were truly saved. If they had been, Christ would never have threatened to spew them out.....

OR

One could read Matthew Henry's Commentary for insight into the meaning of Rev. 3.20

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

The "lukewarm" are the ones who are proclaiming Christ, but forsaking the Cross. Most here on "CC" are proclaiming Christ, but forsaking the Cross. In other words, they are believing in another Jesus; this is called "SPIRIUTAL ADULTERY."

 

[posthuman]

Most here on "CC" are proclaiming Christ, but forsaking the Cross.

why do you say that?

 

[EleventhHour]

The Loadicean church is a type representing any luke-warm church. Neither hot nor cold.

The age we live in now is like this for churches.

Churches that are materialistic, have watered down the gospel, but still believe in some sense.

So Jesus standing at the door..

Jesus is prompting churches like this to be 'tried in the fire' .. taking His Word seriously. Overcoming luke-warmness

I am thinking that is not what lukewarm means.. read it in context.

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

No.. not a particular denomination. And a church is also not a building. ..but the local congregation of saved, baptized believers

So when it says Laodicea its talking about a group of believers with specific beliefs?

 

[wattie]

So when it says Laodicea its talking about a group of believers with specific beliefs?

Well if you look at Revelation 3:17.. they are characterised by saying they are 'rich, increased with goods, needing nothing' .. but Jesus shows them to be 'wretched, miserable, poor, blind, naked'
So what the specific beliefs are isn't in there.

 

[EleventhHour]

Well if you look at Revelation 3:17.. they are characterized by saying they are 'rich, increased with goods, needing nothing' .. but Jesus shows them to be 'wretched, miserable, poor, blind, naked'
So what the specific beliefs are isn't in there.

It is not the materialism, it is the belief they are self sufficient.

Lukewarm Christians are satisfied in themselves, proud of their spiritual commitment and pleased with all that they do for the Lord...believing that they are living the right way, with all the right values, and all the right methods, and all the right works.

Ultimately they are self-righteous.... they think they are well off... but actually need help.

Jesus continues the metaphor... I counseled thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich.....