Should unrepentant cohabitation (shacking up) result in church discipline and disfellowshipment?
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no but i just dont understand what yuo are saying. are you saying its ok today to have many wives? Jesus said its one man one wife in the beginning and should be like that now.
anyway with your point i kind of agree that it matters more what God thinks not what secular government. so if you are somewhere in the woods with someone you love and no government is present to make you a wife and husband you can just do it in front of God and commit and to me that would be completely valid. i dont think in the times of moses there was any government to marry people in the wilderness either.
but now that we have the possible way in this society to just get married the right way we should utilize that possibility that we got.
anyway with your point i kind of agree that it matters more what God thinks not what secular government. so if you are somewhere in the woods with someone you love and no government is present to make you a wife and husband you can just do it in front of God and commit and to me that would be completely valid. i dont think in the times of moses there was any government to marry people in the wilderness either.
but now that we have the possible way in this society to just get married the right way we should utilize that possibility that we got.
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I’m saying it’s foolish to think you can be fully commited to God with one wife. That commitment becomes less and less the more wives you have. It’s not illegal just stupid. Now to equate a couple living together monogamously to fornicating in a sinful sense, isn’t being intellectually honest. To excommunicate a church going couple or even shun them would be going against Christ’s law to love. It would be based on your church doctrine, not the Bible. We have reinvented the covenant of matrimony. Originally it was a legal covenant to make sure women wouldn’t starve to death because the men owned everything. Yes, it’s best when a man and a woman are monogamous and serve God together but what was originally planned was in a prefallen world. Also we were vegetarians then. Changes were made. One of them was God ordained sex slavery. That’s all I’m saying. If someone wants to judge another according to scripture I think they should fully understand scripture. To force a couple from a church God led them to would be worse than them living in a legal monogamous relationship....IMO.
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That’s not a rebuke. If said your birthday was July 5th and you had Captain Crunch for breakfast would I be telling you to eat better? Regardless, she didn’t seem shameful. Who knows why men kept dumping her? She sure felt accepted by Christ. Should we also extend that acceptance to those who choose to fellowship with us in search of the Ultimate Truth?
There is a difference between church attendance and membership. There is another difference between membership and leadership. Leaders are to be beyond reproach. If sinners were banned from churches how many wouldn't get saved? Everybody that comes to Christ as adults are sinners when they/we walked through the door. Unlearning pre-existing beliefs and practices dosn't happen instantly. Monogamy wasn't required for the Jewish men who could have numerous wives and concubines at the time. Only wives were expected to be faithful to one husband and they had no legal rights to own property or get a divorce without the husbands consent.
It's totally unrealistic to expect new converts to live up to the standards set for Priests, (Pastors), Board members and Deacons. Even a non believer can get saved thru the belief of a spouse.
1st Corinth. 7:14 King James Bible
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
Dosn't anybody recall that many people in America would decide to get married and live together in a common law marriage until the circuit riding preacher came to town, perform the ceremony and bless the couple?
It's totally unrealistic to expect new converts to live up to the standards set for Priests, (Pastors), Board members and Deacons. Even a non believer can get saved thru the belief of a spouse.
1st Corinth. 7:14 King James Bible
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
Dosn't anybody recall that many people in America would decide to get married and live together in a common law marriage until the circuit riding preacher came to town, perform the ceremony and bless the couple?
Circuit rider clergy, in the earliest years of the United States, were clergy assigned to travel around specific geographic territories to minister to settlers and organize congregations. Circuit riders were clergy in the Methodist Episcopal Church and related denominations, although similar itinerant preachers could be found in other faiths as well, particularly among minority faith groups. (co Wikipedia)
I don't remember that happening. I'm not that old, and you probably are not either. I've never heard that was the custom. And I would imagine the more pious Methodists who had circuit riders would have been opposed to such a practice and would have insisted on waiting for the preacher to come to town.
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You are assuming that people are supposed to be introduced to the Gospel in church. From reading the New Testament, we can surmise that this was not typical of the experience of new converts in the first century, who heard preaching in the temple, synagogues, or marketplaces. Since you mentioned American history, in the colonial period, George Whitfield preached outdoors to crowds of people. There were large campmeetings outdoors during the second great awakening also.
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My understanding is that concubines were slaves who were then taken as wives. A man who had a slave girl might marry her or give her to his son in marriage. If I recall correctly, that was the scenario that was being set up in the movie Ben Hur before Ben Hur was arrested and taken away from his love interest.
Sleeping around before marriage was whoring around, too. The word for 'fornication' is the word for prostitution. It's the same thing. The girl in the Old Testament who was married off as a virgin, but had slept around first, could be put to death for fornicating, playing the harlot in her father's house.
What is a prostitute, in English. It's a woman who fornicates for money. Who is generally considered a lower class prostitute? The one who sleeps around for $5000 or the one who does so for $1? The $1 prostitute would generally be considered low class. Well, there are multitudes of people who whore around for zero dollars. That's really low class. But it's the same sin the prostitute engages in with those who hire her (or him) as the case may be.
Jesus said that if a man put away his wife (except it be for fornication) and married another he commits adultery. He based this on the fact that 'two...shall be one flesh.' Why would it be okay if there was no divorce in between wife one and wife two? Jesus pointed man back to the original intention. The sermon on the mount contains examples of requiring a higher standard. Except your righteousness exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees....
Job wrote that he had made a covenant with his eyes not to look upon the virgin with lust.
Sleeping around before marriage was whoring around, too. The word for 'fornication' is the word for prostitution. It's the same thing. The girl in the Old Testament who was married off as a virgin, but had slept around first, could be put to death for fornicating, playing the harlot in her father's house.
What is a prostitute, in English. It's a woman who fornicates for money. Who is generally considered a lower class prostitute? The one who sleeps around for $5000 or the one who does so for $1? The $1 prostitute would generally be considered low class. Well, there are multitudes of people who whore around for zero dollars. That's really low class. But it's the same sin the prostitute engages in with those who hire her (or him) as the case may be.
Jesus said that if a man put away his wife (except it be for fornication) and married another he commits adultery. He based this on the fact that 'two...shall be one flesh.' Why would it be okay if there was no divorce in between wife one and wife two? Jesus pointed man back to the original intention. The sermon on the mount contains examples of requiring a higher standard. Except your righteousness exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees....
Job wrote that he had made a covenant with his eyes not to look upon the virgin with lust.
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