The need for spiritual gifts
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I've been thinking about this ever since reading your post. If you're someone who understands that the gifts still work... and specifically the gift of prophecy... then you should consider the following a bit further;
If scripture is the written word of God....
and real prophecy is God's word being spoken through man's mouth...
then consider what it is if someone happens to write down what God said.
The answer has to do with the reality of what prophecy actually is.... and why it is necessary to try the spirit.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
The word 'canon' comes from the word 'reed', and I have read it refers to a measuring rod by which we measure other things. If the Bible is the sum totality of revelation from God, or even the sum totality of written revelation from God, then it is not complete. Why do I say this? Because the Bible refers to revelatory material not included in the Bible.
For example:
- Samuel's prophecies during the time between that one prophecy when he was a child and when we see him again as an old man
- The prophecies of the prophets coming from Shiloh who met Saul, as Samuel predicted, and the prophecies of Saul himself
- The Book of Iddo the Seer
- The prophecies of Micaiah about Ahab before the account of a vision he shared with Ahab in the one passage where we see him speak
- The prophecies of the sons of the prophets in the time of Elijah
- Whatever prophecies Anna the prophetess gave before the one she gave about Jesus
- The prophecies of the prophets who were with Agabus when he predicted the famine
- The prophecies of Silas and Judas who the apostles and elders sent after the council of Jerusalem
- The prophecies of the Corinthian church
- The stuff the man caught up into the third heaven saw that he was not allowed to speak
- The sealed up message of the seven thunders that John heard but was not allowed to share.
The Bible is not supposed to contain all revelations. To claim it does is an unbiblical claim. We do have in scripture an account of 'the faith once delivered to the saints'-- not the sum totality of Jesus the Word or of everything God ever revealed to anyone.
How about if we have doctrine about scripture that is in line with scripture?
You need to get your doctrine in alignment with the bible. Not all prophecy has been fulfilled but all you need has been given. Some things God is not going to reveal until the end of the age.
All the words and works of Jesus are not going to be written down to satisfy your inane objection that God is holding back on prophecy.
Ghastly simply ghastly.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
And what has been given to us that we need? The Spirit that has been given to us is the Spirit of life. The Spirit is not dead, not static, and not contained by our efforts or theories. 'The Wind/Spirit bloweth where it listeth...' The Spirit also teaches.
I will take this as an area of agreement, that not all revelation from God is given in scripture.
I did not say that God is 'holding back of prophecy'. It's up to Him how freely He wishes to speak. Your philosophy has prophecy being held back. Do you think the gift will be released after the rapture?
In your world if there is no need for new prophecy then the Holy Spirit is dead? You speak of these things like one who has no knowledge of Gods character and personality.
God is not capricious and God has stated that He has completed His revelation to us. Do not add to nor take away from the words in the book.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You said all you need has been given. I pointed out that I have been given the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of life. I've been given more than a book I just figure out with my mind using carnal reasoning.
And you make known your unwise accusations and judgments of brothers in Christ who disagree with you, as you have in previous posts.
God is not capricious, and He has not stated that there is no more revelation. No man can know the Father, Jesus taught, except the Son and He to whom the Son is pleased to reveal Him. If revelation ceased in the first century, then you are not saved.
You are ignoring God. You seek to open the door to all kinds of prophecy that cannot come from God. I find nothing of virtue and nobility in your fantasies.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Disobedience to scripture causes you to pass judgments like this. if you followed 'Despise not prophesyings' and 'Covet to prophecy...' you would not write such things.
Scripture is the written word of God, but God's words written down are not necessarily Scripture.
Then we would have to ask ourselves if we have interpreted the written scripture properly. How are we to know if it lines up to the spiritual message God has conveyed in it? Is there more than one meaning to what was written? Some twist and wrestle the scripture until they get it to say what they want. Without the Holy Spirit, they are just words.
In Revelation we are taught that any who know Jesus kChrist and witness of Hi can only be aware of this and do this by the gift of prophecy. The actual words are the spirit of prophecy.
Rev_19:10 (ASV) And I fell down before his feet to worship him. And he saith unto me, See thou do it not: I am a fellow-servant with thee and with thy brethren that hold the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Not when you properly define the word prophesying and prophecy. Preach the word of God do not add to nor take away from the word of God. Do not attempt to manipulate the Holy Spirit nor shape Him into a person of the God head to do your bidding.
We prophecy by preaching the word of God. We prophecy by declaring what God has done and what He is going to do in relation to His Son Christ.
We do not engage in flights of fantasy by pretending to know what will happen tomorrow. Whether you have eggs or cereal for breakfast tomorrow is not prophetic.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Scripture is the written word of God, but God's words written down are not necessarily Scripture.
You cannot seem to make up your mind. One day you think prophesying has ceased. In this post, you seem to think preaching the word is prophesying.
Amen! There are so many prophecies mentioned in the Bible that we dont have. This alone debunks the cessationism claim.
Whatever it takes to make God mute. It is a power play, now in order to hear from God you need to sit under their teachers that went to this and that seminary.
Most people in Church history have never had access to the Bible until very recently, Holy Spirit was always available and STILL IS
It's clear from this post that you have little to no understanding of the real gift of prophecy.
Not when you understand prophecy through the bible. Without a doubt your understanding is not my understanding. I'm not into future telling which is why I do not attend the annual carnival in town.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Roger, so based on your last post do you think knowing fully has not happened for some Christians?