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Jesus died for all sins that were past, present, and future. Without the law there would be no awareness of sin. The law kills but it is the grace of God that saves. This grace did not begin with the death of Jesus as it is an attribute of God and God always was and always will be so it stands to reason that the grace of God has always existed. The same must hold true for the law as well.
If so, that was the only law that applied to Adam and Eve before the fall. The wages of sin is death so the day they ate of the tree they died. Keep in mind that a day in the eyes of the Lord is like a thousand years and a thousand years a day. Adam lived to be 930 years old so he died the day he ate the forbidden fruit.
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Thanks for the reply ..
Unflavored. . . .unbiblical hogwash or. . Dinoflavored ?
I would suggest two kinds of good according to the word of God. One that was good when it was created . Two, good for nothing as corrupted.
Yes was good when he created it. Not after he corrupted it. . . as the wrath of God being revealed even today as dying creation.
Jesus said of his own flesh as a demonstration it profits for nothing. No spiritual value. I beleive we neither wrestle against flesh and blood or are strengthened by it. it is the witness of men .The witness of God is always greater.
Romans 8:2-4 King James Version (KJV) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Did he say that for nothing or so that the Father who poured out his Spirit life on the flesh of the Son of man might be heard of on high? Roman 8 above informs us the temporal bodies of death must of been signified as sinful in order to do what the letter of the law could not do. Create faithfully as a labor of Christ love anew.
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life John 6:62-68
I’ve read accounts where folks think Adam and Eve would have lived for ever there’s nothing that says that was the case in the garden just the opposite is stated, they must not eat of the tree of life for they would have lived for ever sounds pretty much like they had a lifespan in the garden regardless of eating the forbidden fruit or not
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Well I see Jamon has changed his stance several times, from starting by saying angels are not holy,
to it's strange that fallen angels were once holy. Holy means to be right with God, we sin, we stink of sin
our thoughts condemn us, all of us. But in God's eyes we are clean, whiter than snow, because of faith
and that not of ourselves it is a gift of God. We are not perfect but we are seen as perfect by God because
the price has been paid on the cross, atonement has been made.
My question is not meant to cause argument over evry word, but to focus on the miracle of life
that Adam the first man fell, that here had to be blood shed, and that Christ is the perfect
atonement for our sin, ther eis no more temple, no more sactifice, the Jewish laws are abandomned
there is no need of any more preists, we have but one high priests forever.
We should be blessed with this conversation, it should not have acused harsh words, if there is a troll
among us we should have the wisdon to see him for what he is and ignore, not get into futile and endless
arguments because a troll can never be satisfied until evryone is at each other sthroats.
Thank you all you who conducted yourselves properly according to the Word of God. For those that hurled
invectives please consider the scripture that tells us, no expects us to conduct ourseles in love in any
discusison.
I have received much encouragement from this discussion and a blessing, thank you.
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to it's strange that fallen angels were once holy. Holy means to be right with God, we sin, we stink of sin
our thoughts condemn us, all of us. But in God's eyes we are clean, whiter than snow, because of faith
and that not of ourselves it is a gift of God. We are not perfect but we are seen as perfect by God because
the price has been paid on the cross, atonement has been made.
My question is not meant to cause argument over evry word, but to focus on the miracle of life
that Adam the first man fell, that here had to be blood shed, and that Christ is the perfect
atonement for our sin, ther eis no more temple, no more sactifice, the Jewish laws are abandomned
there is no need of any more preists, we have but one high priests forever.
We should be blessed with this conversation, it should not have acused harsh words, if there is a troll
among us we should have the wisdon to see him for what he is and ignore, not get into futile and endless
arguments because a troll can never be satisfied until evryone is at each other sthroats.
Thank you all you who conducted yourselves properly according to the Word of God. For those that hurled
invectives please consider the scripture that tells us, no expects us to conduct ourseles in love in any
discusison.
I have received much encouragement from this discussion and a blessing, thank you.
THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED
Then read what the Bible says
“Who is like Thee among the gods, O LORD? Who is like Thee, majestic in holiness, Awesome in praises, working wonders? (Exodus 15:11).
“There is no one holy like the LORD, Indeed, there is no one besides Thee, Nor is there any rock like our God (1 Samuel 2:2).
There is no one like Thee among the gods, O Lord; Nor are there any works like Thine. 9 All nations whom Thou hast made shall come and worship before Thee, O Lord; And they shall glorify Thy name. 10 For Thou art great and doest wondrous deeds; Thou alone art God.
(Psalms 86:8-10;
see also Psalm 99:1-3; Isaiah 40:25; 57:15).
“Who is like Thee among the gods, O LORD? Who is like Thee, majestic in holiness, Awesome in praises, working wonders? (Exodus 15:11).
“There is no one holy like the LORD, Indeed, there is no one besides Thee, Nor is there any rock like our God (1 Samuel 2:2).
There is no one like Thee among the gods, O Lord; Nor are there any works like Thine. 9 All nations whom Thou hast made shall come and worship before Thee, O Lord; And they shall glorify Thy name. 10 For Thou art great and doest wondrous deeds; Thou alone art God.
(Psalms 86:8-10;
see also Psalm 99:1-3; Isaiah 40:25; 57:15).
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Yes I ageree the sacricial system was not given to Adam & Eve. Can't recall I said that.
My understanding is that the sacrificial only covered sin but not atoned for it.
The death of Jesus on the cross atoned for sin once for all.
As a result of that through faith in Jesus and his once for all sacrifice then we are reconciled to God through our faith.
Maybe I did not make that clear.
No faith no salvation.
By faith I refer to
Romans 10:8-13
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Forgiveness for all is available but only appropriated given the above.
I see no reason why Adam & Eve are not in heaven.
Hence the verses from Genesis 4 that I posted.
You probably think they eternally punished.
We can only assume.
We will find out one day.
My understanding is that the sacrificial only covered sin but not atoned for it.
The death of Jesus on the cross atoned for sin once for all.
As a result of that through faith in Jesus and his once for all sacrifice then we are reconciled to God through our faith.
Maybe I did not make that clear.
No faith no salvation.
By faith I refer to
Romans 10:8-13
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Forgiveness for all is available but only appropriated given the above.
I see no reason why Adam & Eve are not in heaven.
Hence the verses from Genesis 4 that I posted.
You probably think they eternally punished.
We can only assume.
We will find out one day.
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you are misusing the word holy
holy is to be separated or separate
God tells us to be holy as He is holy
is He setting an impossible mark?
nope...He is telling us to identify with Him and not the world and its systems
the thread asks the wrong question. was Adam made sinless should have been the question
in fact, yes, Adam was made sinless. read Genesis and you will find that to be so
be holy. dedicate yourself to God
holy is to be separated or separate
God tells us to be holy as He is holy
is He setting an impossible mark?
nope...He is telling us to identify with Him and not the world and its systems
the thread asks the wrong question. was Adam made sinless should have been the question
in fact, yes, Adam was made sinless. read Genesis and you will find that to be so
be holy. dedicate yourself to God
I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven Jesus said......my personal view.....Genesis 1, 2 is a renovation of what was destroyed when Satan was cast out.....there are a few scriptures that seem to hint at this.......many reject this, not a test of fellowship, but what I believe based upon my 30 plus years of study.....
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