Where has Biblical Modesty gone???

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TooFastTurtle

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Biblical modesty went when the world started running into Churches and we started conforming to the world and their standards.

Times are different.

How it is today: "This is not wrong because *excuse excuse excuse*

How it was before: "Yes I am doing wrong, I realize that."

I personally believe the person who does wrong, keeps doing that wrong but admits what they are doing is wrong is in a better position than the one making excuses, because knowing it is wrong, it is leaving open that door of repentance later on. The guy making excuses will never repent, because he has been self-deceived into thinking there is nothing to repent from.
 
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John146

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Ghoti2 said:
I guess we all have our hang-ups.
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Yep, one of my hang ups are churches that turn off the light when singing. What’s up with that? Concert?

And btw, these churches usually have dress issues as well.😉
 
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7seasrekeyed

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John146 said:
Yep, one of my hang ups are churches that turn off the light when singing. What’s up with that? Concert?

And btw, these churches usually have dress issues as well.😉
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never heard of that

but I guess it's good to turn off the lights if everyone is popping out of their clothing :eek::oops::whistle:
 
melita916

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I live in a college town. Our congregation is laid back compared to how I grew up. But no one is ever falling out his/her clothes. Some go in jeans. Others in shorts. Heck sometimes a homeless guy shows up in shorts and flip flops. No one bats an eye.
 
Flint321

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Locoponydirtman said:
This video is poppycock, the Bible does not specify in Genesis that God covered more of them than they had covered. This guy is rediculous he even mis-defines modest. I didn't get any further than his false assertion about the clothes that God gave Adam and Eve.
Grow up and stop worrying about how others dress. The modest dress statement in the Bible addresses excessive gold jewelry, and braided hair specifically and only implies indirectly about the square inches of material to be worn. The guy in the video is in violation of modest dress with his taylored suit. The problem with some Christians who get so holier than thou is that they forget to judge themself and start judging others by their own assessment of what the Bible says rather than what the Bible actually says.
Get off the gas man, this train is derailed.
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Hey brother in Christ, props for the RC Sproul video, he indeed is a great teacher of the faith (one i would highly recommend), maybe you didn't see my comment below that one, i would agree that the man in the video is dressed in a suit (btw so is RC Sproul in the video you linked, does that mean something? no).

Like i said below that comment, i agree that expensive clothing has nothing to do with modesty, but clothing that covers and is not tight (for both Men and Women), a good definition of biblical modesty is this: "the avoidance of clothing that is both showy and sexually enticing" and im sure you would agree.

Modesty is important in this lawless age, its just a reality, lets not water it down.
 
Flint321

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7seasrekeyed said:
you won't get anywhere with clothing dude

he already claimed he has been blessed by the gift of teaching (saved 7 yrs) and not married. this is just the beginning of the wisdom he wishes to pass on

nothing will dissuade him either because he thinks we are persecuting him if we point out that clothing does not define Christians and heart matters are the actual concern

when someone says 'I will pray for you' because you pointed out the fallacy of their 'preaching', you know they have on the helmet of 'I can't hear you nah nah nah'
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i said by God's grace i know lots of theology, so what? i was writing that so that people wouldn't say this guy is just concerned about modesty etc etc...

Also thats a lie, i already pointed out in my post, that a common misconception with modesty, is that its inside to outside reality, you read these things, so stop it, you making me chuckle, be blessed in Jesus name.

If you want please explain to me the heart of modesty?
 
Flint321

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sorry, to clarify what i meant in the post above, is that i agree modesty is an inside reality (the heart) to the outside (action), i wrote about this already on page 1..! and that "the heart is more important" is at times a false doctrine that people use aimed at times to destroy modesty.
 
Flint321

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Btw i realized that i read your comment wrong, i'm sorry i thought you were poking out on his formal dress (like Ghosti2), please forgive me for that brother, i will just say that its still important and this is a thread i made about Modesty, i really don't care for it that much, its just something that is needed to be talked about more. Will you forgive me for my wickedness?

Heres what his post really said
Locoponydirtman said:
This video is poppycock, the Bible does not specify in Genesis that God covered more of them than they had covered. This guy is rediculous he even mis-defines modest. I didn't get any further than his false assertion about the clothes that God gave Adam and Eve.
Grow up and stop worrying about how others dress. The modest dress statement in the Bible addresses excessive gold jewelry, and braided hair specifically and only implies indirectly about the square inches of material to be worn. The guy in the video is in violation of modest dress with his taylored suit. The problem with some Christians who get so holier than thou is that they forget to judge themself and start judging others by their own assessment of what the Bible says rather than what the Bible actually says.
Get off the gas man, this train is derailed.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Flint321 said:
sorry, to clarify what i meant in the post above, is that i agree modesty is an inside reality (the heart) to the outside (action), i wrote about this already on page 1..! and that "the heart is more important" is at times a false doctrine that people use aimed at times to destroy modesty.
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Look brother you are a Christian. Brother and I try to assume the best of all who are called by the name of the Lord. I want you to know that regardless of our (this includes my own, of which there are many) errors and faults and weaknesses we are family. Family in Christ by his blood.
There is a call to modesty this is very true, and it's for all Christians in all spheres of our lives. I try to let minor issues be minor especially among new Christians. I have one goal, and that is to share the truth to other Christians because of the numerous misgivings among us, thus I try not to dwell on minor issues. I prefer that Christians understand Christ.
Let the love of the Lord reign over us and his wisdom guide us, Amen.
 
Flint321

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Locoponydirtman said:
Look brother you are a Christian. Brother and I try to assume the best of all who are called by the name of the Lord. I want you to know that regardless of our (this includes my own, of which there are many) errors and faults and weaknesses we are family. Family in Christ by his blood.
There is a call to modesty this is very true, and it's for all Christians in all spheres of our lives. I try to let minor issues be minor especially among new Christians. I have one goal, and that is to share the truth to other Christians because of the numerous misgivings among us, thus I try not to dwell on minor issues. I prefer that Christians understand Christ.
Let the love of the Lord reign over us and his wisdom guide us, Amen.
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Amen bro, thanks for your kindess and forgiveness, be blessed in Jesus Christ! :)
 
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Are apple bottom jeans and boots with the fur modest?
 
Flint321

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LittleMermaid said:
Are apple bottom jeans and boots with the fur modest?
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Hey, Sister in Jesus Christ, do you mean clothing like this, because this is evil clothing that God hates:
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So, this is an example of wicked immodesty for a Women (modesty also applies to Men, though its more important for Women 1st Tim 2:9), this is pretty much walking around in underwear, because its skin tight, it goes against the principle to be modest.

A christians clothing (either a Man or a Women) must not say LUST, must not say PRIDE, this is the principle of modesty, before a Holy God.
 
Flint321

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20-Colors-Metrosexual-Men-Compression-Short-Sleeve-Crew-neck-Fitness-Tight-T-Shirts-Tops-Men-s.jpg Also some more examples to help folks out:
This is an example of an IMMODEST top for a MAN, its wicked.... some people might say why its harmless... its not, its against the principle and command for the church to be modest, its glorifying SIN and sensuality not God.

We must remember that this is what the gospel brings us to:
1st Peter 1:15 but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct.

That means we are to hate what is glorifying to wickedness and love what is glorifying to righteousness, as this is inline with loving neighbor and God.
 
melita916

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Would it still be considered immodest if a guy was wearing a tight shirt but wasn’t fit? Aka a belly? Just wondering.
 
Flint321

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melita916 said:
Would it still be considered immodest if a guy was wearing a tight shirt but wasn’t fit? Aka a belly? Just wondering.
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Hi melita916, yes it would be because modesty is the principle, it doesn't matter how fit or unfit someone is, its how they dress themselves, either with clothing that covers and is not tight (modesty) or clothing that doesn't cover enough or DOES cover, but is tight.

Clothing that doesn't fit into this box must be rejected, also its important to understand that this is because of the gospel its not like your dressing to be saved from God's wrath this is the covenant of love, this is what God wants in this area, there is much areas of holiness in the christian life, but modesty is one aswell and must be upheld or we are sinning against God and neighbor, in this area.

This is even more profound for today when you consider the epidemic of sexual immorality in the culture, yes even in the church.
 
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LittleMermaid

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I was just quoting a song. It was a joke. Sorry.

I was thinking though...since so many men struggle with homosexuality, wouldn't it be prudent for men to also practice modesty as much as women do? I always sense that modesty talks are just for women. We get bombarded with the message that "men are visual" so women need to cover up. Which I completely understand. But some of those very visual men are attracted to other men. So shouldn't men be just as careful or if not more (they are the leaders right?) than women when it comes to their attire?
 
Flint321

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LittleMermaid said:
I was just quoting a song. It was a joke. Sorry.

I was thinking though...since so many men struggle with homosexuality, wouldn't it be prudent for men to also practice modesty as much as women do? I always sense that modesty talks are just for women. We get bombarded with the message that "men are visual" so women need to cover up. Which I completely understand. But some of those very visual men are attracted to other men. So shouldn't men be just as careful or if not more (they are the leaders right?) than women when it comes to their attire?
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Well sure, it could include that :) and yeah haha i thought u might be joking around, but hey its good stuff anyway.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Y'all are going too far. I don't think that t-shirt nor those jeans are going to inside a healthy mind or heart to lust. I think that if those are the examples anyone who lusts after that has a lust problem to start with. Those people need to check their own hearts because they can be incited to lust by anything,
 
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