Where is the church
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Eph 2:5. When we were yet (spiritually) dead in sins, he quickened us together with Christ. Spiritually dead people thinks the things of the Spirit are foolishness (1 Cor 2:14).
Thanks, but I'm looking for a whole lot more than a single verse.
That is two scriptures that answer your question. If you don't see it, maybe it is hidden from your understanding of it.
Yawn. And the JW's rejoice when doors are slammed in their faces. Shared experience does not validate your position.
Okay, if you want to be a jack-donkey, I'll leave you to it. I don't have time for stupid.
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All over the place
Many Churches
Many purposes but the main one seems to be to wake us up and realise that we cant survive without Jesus Christ. Not eternally anyway.
You have misunderstood my post. The true Church is invisible to man and visible to God only. Only those who are children of God by faith are within the Church, the Body of Christ. Just as Christ is invisible at present, so is the true Church.
At the same time, there are several groups claiming to be the true Church. But their doctrines and practices belie that.
I am with you Dino. There are only two groups of people: Believers and unbelievers. No one is saved and ignorant of Christ's atonement. FGC says there are milk fed babes already saved, yet ignorant of Christ's work. I think not.
That is impossible. There is no such thing as the visible Church. Within Christendom, there are churches and denominations, and among them there are many who are not children of God through the New Birth. As we know from Scripture, the wheat and the tares will remain together, and outwardly they are hard to distinguish. Only God knows who is within the true Church.
So. you are claiming that your doctrine and practice is the true church, but you are invisible?
You ask me, how does the man who is dead spiritually, become spiritually alive? Eph 2:5 and 1 Cor 2:14 explains it; Mankind is born naturally into this world spiritually dead, with the exclusion of John the baptist and Jacob. At sometime between their natural birth and their natural death, God regenerates them by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the new birth. He does not regenerate all mankind and that is according to the good pleasure of his will, Eph 1:5. Your terminology in your asking was a little confusing.
That is true, I don't know and you don't know, only God knows. But the true church will be preaching the same doctrine that Jesus taught. And that is visible by those who know that doctrine.
Regarding the bolded sentence, what is the context in which this happens? Out of the blue? In isolation from the Church? In the absence of preaching/witnessing/evangelism?
How did the 3000 come to be "regenerated" on the day of Pentecost?
Your position is missing a major piece of the puzzle; that's why I'm questioning it, and that's why your answers so far are completely inadequate.