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How much pleasure you must give God. He can always be sure you will look the exact same as you did the last time He looked. No changes there.
Do you care to be more specific here on what exactly you think God does or does not see?
 

DeighAnn

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I meet people where they are in life. You obviously haven’t been taught much of anything regarding grace through faith.

I respond to you worker bees so people who are new to the faith don’t become imprisoned by incorrect teachings that take away from the fullness of Jesus Christ.
"How does "and your works do follow you" imprison anyone new to the faith? It is a part of the faith. Is it possible to find the fullness of Jesus Christ without them? I think people understand what a gift is.
Christians coming to the faith today are not "taught' they are under the law of Moses but of the grace of God They are taught Christ from the first words they hear.

Is it possible to learn the truth and fullness of Gods 'grace' without a study of the old Testament?

You are a worker bee. Quite a hard worker bee in fact. Every post you post is a 'work'
 
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Yes, someone did keep the law perfectly. And it isn't about being justified by the works of the law, it is getting PAST being justified, PAST being saved, getting PAST being made righteous, PAST the very first steps, PAST the 'milk' and ON TO THE MEAT so that you can be USEFUL to God. Learning the "deeper" things.
It seems to me that in your view, if I am reading your posts correctly, is that "the meat" is doing works?
 

DeighAnn

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As long as the Doctrine they believe is 100% from Christ.


John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Hebrews 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Hebrews 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrews 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
This here is not going to get done through rest

Thank God for worker bees
 
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And there is work to be done in that calling, like defending Gods grace.
Yup that is what we are doing.........

Galatians 5:1
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
 

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Do you care to be more specific here on what exactly you think God does or does not see?
Psalm 56:8 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?

Psalm 56:9 When I cry unto thee, then shall mine enemies turn back: this I know; for God is for me.

Psalm 56:10 In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word.

Psalm 56:11 In God have I put my trust: I will not be afraid what man can do unto me.

Psalm 56:12 Thy vows are upon me, O God: I will render praises unto thee.

Psalm 56:13 For thou hast delivered my soul from death: wilt not thou deliver my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of the living?
 

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Yes, someone did keep the law perfectly. And it isn't about being justified by the works of the law, it is getting PAST being justified, PAST being saved, getting PAST being made righteous, PAST the very first steps, PAST the 'milk' and ON TO THE MEAT so that you can be USEFUL to God. Learning the "deeper" things.
what? past being saved? past being justified?

no one kept the law perfectly except Jesus
 

DeighAnn

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Yup that is what we are doing.........

Galatians 5:1
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
I agree, that is what we are doing.
 

DeighAnn

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what? past being saved? past being justified?

no one kept the law perfectly except Jesus
approach the Lord, approach the people, people


Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.

This has nothing to do with "keeping the law of Moses" which no Christian has EVER been asked to do. Christ brought us a NEW Covenant that affords us life, liberty, forgiveness.....

This has to do with a deeper study in Gods Word so that through that work we may be of more use to Him.

Ever wonder why God chose Saul/Paul instead of anyone else? Paul was zealous. Paul knew the Word of God better than most everyone else. He spoke multiple languages. Look whos feet he was taught under, one of the greatest scholars of all time. The only thing Paul had missed was that Christ was actually 'the Messiah'. Once God showed him that, well, most of the new testament to start..... And he never got paid. No where he went did he depend on anyone for anything, he worked his way through it all. A tent maker? along those lines.
 

DeighAnn

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Well then, you do not move PAST salvation/justification/sanctification you live in it.
Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,



Ezekiel 43:19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord GOD, a young bullock for a sin offering.

Ezekiel 43:20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.



Ezekiel 44:6 And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations,

Ezekiel 44:7 In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.

Ezekiel 44:8 And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves.

Ezekiel 44:9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

Ezekiel 44:10 And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.

Ezekiel 44:11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.

Ezekiel 44:12 Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord GOD, and they shall bear their iniquity.

Ezekiel 44:13 And they shall not come near unto me, to do the office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed.

Ezekiel 44:14 But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein.
 
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Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Is perfection doing "works"
 

DeighAnn

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rest,

people who are working, need rest, they take rest when they sit to take lunch or sit on break, or sleep, basically they stop working

god promises us who come to him rest, what is this?

it is when we stop working, in the biblical case, stop working at the law. Stop trying to meet some standard you think needs to be met to either make you qualified for entrance to heaven (salvation) or makes you appear like a god fearing god loving person, who is morally good, and acceptable to god as a child (makes him happy)

rest Is not going back to the law and trying to obey it, trying to live up to the standard you can NEVER live up to begin with, rest is sitting still, trusting god to work through you, and moving forward, knowing god has your back no matter what!

Paul spent his years as an apostle fighting the judiasers who continued to try to push gods children to go back to the burden their fathers could never live up to (the law) and its sad 2000 years later we still have people making the same mistake. Then saying they believe In rest :(

What Christian has ever been "under the law of Moses"? Not one. Not a single one. Never.
What Christian has ever been yoked to the law of Moses? not one
What Christian has ever died under the law of Moses? not one
What Christian has ever BEEN ABLE TO FOLLOW THE LAW OF MOSES? NOT ONE BECAUSE

Christians are of Christ and to become one you are taught CHRIST, SON OF GOD, WORD MADE FLESH, WHO DIED FOR OUR SINS, and THROUGH HIS BLOOD we find upon REPENTANCE, FORGIVENESS for our sins, and BY HIS STRIPES we are healed.

THAT IS THE BEGINNING OF BEING A CHRISTIAN. NO ANIMAL SACRIFICE EVER. WHY? THAT WAS THE LAW OF MOSES. AND ALL CHRISTIANS KNOW IT.

Paul may have had to fight "judaziers" but you don't. You just have to fight those who are following the command of JESUS to not abolish the law. Tell me how many Christians have you ever known or heard of sacrificed an animal for the forgiveness of their sins? I'll bet not one.
 

DeighAnn

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Here is a lady that is AS addicted to highlighters as I used to be. I used as MANY highlighters as she does, back when I could read the NIV Thompson Chain. That small of Font Size, I found it to be almost impossible to read about 15 years ago. So when I finally bought the New King James BIBLE, I gave up the highlighters too:

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Is this picture of me??? Color me "addicted" too!! I tried to keep notes in a different place, I just couldn't ever find them. Pick up my Bible and my notes are always right where I need them.
 

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Is perfection doing "works"
First verse is for you, second one is for me
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2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

No, perfection is the Word. Knowing Gods Plan, where we came from, where we are going to, and what it takes to be useful to God.

Psalm 40:1 I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry.
Psalm 40:2 He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings.
Psalm 40:3 And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD.
Psalm 40:4 Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.
Psalm 40:5 Many, O LORD my God, are thy wonderful works which thou hast done, and thy thoughts which are to us-ward: they cannot be reckoned up in order unto thee: if I would declare and speak of them, they are more than can be numbered.
Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
Psalm 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
Psalm 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Psalm 40:9 I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O LORD, thou knowest.
Psalm 40:10 I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation


Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ephesians 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Ephesians 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Who is it that will be "ashamed"? Those who have not put on the "whole armor of God".
 
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You can't get to the meat without the "works" of study in the Word.
Well when James wrote about works is that what he was speaking to.... studying the word.

What do you think "works" are according to scripture?