Not By Works

[Melach]

Isn't that one of you "points" that in the OT is was by the "works of the law"?

salvation was never by works of the law if it was nobody would ever be saved, salvation is by faith. Lightskin agrees with me on it we are good

nobody has ever kept the law perfectly so no one cant be justified by works of the law, not then or ever. only Jesus did that kept the law

 

[gb9]

What does the WORD SAY???

Hebrews 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Hebrews 4. one of the gold standard verses for judeaizers. one of you guys ( and girls) favs.

so, as usual, you ignore context. Hebrews 3 is a warning about missing the rest in Christ because of unbelief, as Israel missed the promised land the first time due to unbelief. chapter 4 is farther commentary on that point.

and, none of you have ever described how you " enter " into twilight fri. if that is what is being said in Hebrews 4. ( which it is not).

 

[JadenS]

I belong to a home Bible Study Group, of seniors, they where we study the Bible, then we sit around the dinning room table and drink coffee, and eat an dessert. I think that Fellowship with like minded Christians is a very good thing.

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As long as the Doctrine they believe is 100% from Christ.

 

[VCO]

Here is a lady that is AS addicted to highlighters as I used to be. I used as MANY highlighters as she does, back when I could read the NIV Thompson Chain. That small of Font Size, I found it to be almost impossible to read about 15 years ago. So when I finally bought the New King James BIBLE, I gave up the highlighters too:

 

[VCO]

As long as the Doctrine they believe is 100% from Christ.

They DO believe in 100% from Christ, Period.


But YOURS is not, We have noticed lots of errors in what you claim to believe.

 

[DeighAnn]

Bringing in the Greek to find a "rest from work/labour now, rest later" type of reference and I don't see it here.

Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
We should fear therefore lest ever left remaining of the promise to enter into the rest of Him should seem any of you to have fallen short

Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
And for we are {those] having had the gospel preached just as they [did] but not did profit the message of [their] hearing them, not having been united with the faith of those having heard

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
We enter for into the rest those having believed as He has said So I swore in the wrath of me Not shall they enter into the rest of Me And yet the works from the foundation of the world have been finished.

Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
He has spoken for somewhere concerning the seventh [day] in this way And rested God on the day seventh from all of the works of Him.

Hebrews 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
And in this [passage] again [Not} shall they enter into the rest of Me

Hebrews 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief
Since therefore it remains [for] some to enter into it, and those formerly having received the good news not did enter in because of disobedience.

Hebrews 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Again a certain He appoints day, Today through David saying after so long a time just as it has been said Today if the voice of Him you shall hear, not harden the hearts of you

Hebrews 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
If for to them Joshua had given rest, not about another He would have spoken after this day

Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
So then there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
The [one] for having entered into the rest of Him, also he rested from the works of him as from the own God [did]

Hebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
We should be diligent therefore to enter into that rest so that not by the same anyone example should fall of disobedience.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Living is for the word of God and active and sharper than any sword two-edged even penetrating as far as the division of soul and the spirit of joints and also marrows, and able to judge [the] thoughts and intentions of [the] heart.

Hebrews 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
And not there is creature hidden before Him all things however [are] uncovered and laid bare to the eyes of Him to whom [is] our reckoning

Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Having therefore a high priest great having passed through the heavens Jesus the Son of God we should hold firmly to [our] confession

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Not for have we a high priest not being able to sympathize with the weaknesses of us [one] having been tempted however in all things by the same way, without sin.

Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
We should come therefore with boldness to the throne of grace so that we may receive mercy and grace may find for in time of need help

 

[DeighAnn]

and, none of you have ever described how you " enter " into twilight fri. if that is what is being said in Hebrews 4. ( which it is not).

what is twilight fri??

 

[DeighAnn]

so, as usual, you ignore context. Hebrews 3 is a warning about missing the rest in Christ because of unbelief,

But they did miss the rest of God and not until Jesus went back and offered it through grace did they receive. But they had all died before they received it. God worked then rested when the work was done. Jesus worked and then rested when the work was done. Doesn't it make sense to you THAT IN THE WAY OF REST FROM LABOURS, we should finish our labour before we rest also?? We are already resting from the burden of the law. Now you don't want to work either when there is so much work to be done??? How does Gods Word get spread to the whole world if all those who come to Christ stop and rest???

 

[gb9]

what is twilight fri??

twilight fri. is the start of the jewish Sabbath. you say you keep it. you should know this.

 

[gb9]

But they did miss the rest of God and not until Jesus went back and offered it through grace did they receive. But they had all died before they received it. God worked then rested when the work was done. Jesus worked and then rested when the work was done. Doesn't it make sense to you THAT IN THE WAY OF REST FROM LABOURS, we should finish our labour before we rest also?? We are already resting from the burden of the law. Now you don't want to work either when there is so much work to be done??? How does Gods Word get spread to the whole world if all those who come to Christ stop and rest???

you, as usual, are missing the point. the point is, this is not talking about keeping Shabbat.
and, the yoke of bondage is speaking of the whole law.

the " burden of the Law" is just something you made up. like the Law being divided.

 

[DeighAnn]

twilight fri. is the start of the jewish Sabbath. you say you keep it. you should know this.

Once again, I have no idea what you are talking about. I would need chapter and verse from Gods Word. I know nothing about being "Jewish" except what is written in there. I have absolutely no recall of seeing twilight fri ever, whether you think I should know this or not. And why you say I keep it eludes me, and will until you explain what it is.

 

[DeighAnn]

you, as usual, are missing the point. the point is, this is not talking about keeping Shabbat.
and, the yoke of bondage is speaking of the whole law.

the " burden of the Law" is just something you made up. like the Law being divided.

How about you document your points with Verses from God as that would really speed things up. You never comment on all the points I make using Gods word for the dividing of the law so I don't know what part you find in error. You say I miss the point but you wont tell me where to find your point. As usual, I guess.

 

[DeighAnn]

salvation was never by works of the law if it was nobody would ever be saved, salvation is by faith. Lightskin agrees with me on it we are good

nobody has ever kept the law perfectly so no one cant be justified by works of the law, not then or ever. only Jesus did that kept the law

Yes, someone did keep the law perfectly. And it isn't about being justified by the works of the law, it is getting PAST being justified, PAST being saved, getting PAST being made righteous, PAST the very first steps, PAST the 'milk' and ON TO THE MEAT so that you can be USEFUL to God. Learning the "deeper" things.

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Hebrews 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Hebrews 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Hebrews 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.

 

[VCO]

Once again, I have no idea what you are talking about. I would need chapter and verse from Gods Word. I know nothing about being "Jewish" except what is written in there. I have absolutely no recall of seeing twilight fri ever, whether you think I should know this or not. And why you say I keep it eludes me, and will until you explain what it is.

The Jewish day begins at shortly before Sunset, so the SABBATH is from approximately Sunset on Friday to approximately
Sunset on Saturday.


https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/526873/jewish/The-Jewish-Day.htm

https://www.chabad.org/library/arti...Why-do-Jewish-holidays-begin-at-nightfall.htm

HE TOLD YOU CORRECTLY:

Wikepedia:

According to halakha (Jewish religious law), Shabbat is observed from a few minutes before sunset on Friday evening until the appearance of three stars in the sky on Saturday night.[1] Shabbat is ushered in by lighting candles and reciting a blessing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat

It is based on GOD's TIMETABLE:

Genesis 1:5 (ASV)
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

 

[Lightskin]

Any words for God on that??? That statement really hasn't taught me anything, has it? Just kinda condemning me without any building back up from the Truth in the Word.
I don't understand how my use of quotation marks "enlightens" you as to my knowledge or lack thereof. Please, give me scripture as I have done of how "rest" is to be understood.

I meet people where they are in life. You obviously haven’t been taught much of anything regarding grace through faith.

I respond to you worker bees so people who are new to the faith don’t become imprisoned by incorrect teachings that take away from the fullness of Jesus Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

rest,

people who are working, need rest, they take rest when they sit to take lunch or sit on break, or sleep, basically they stop working

god promises us who come to him rest, what is this?

it is when we stop working, in the biblical case, stop working at the law. Stop trying to meet some standard you think needs to be met to either make you qualified for entrance to heaven (salvation) or makes you appear like a god fearing god loving person, who is morally good, and acceptable to god as a child (makes him happy)

rest Is not going back to the law and trying to obey it, trying to live up to the standard you can NEVER live up to begin with, rest is sitting still, trusting god to work through you, and moving forward, knowing god has your back no matter what!

Paul spent his years as an apostle fighting the judiasers who continued to try to push gods children to go back to the burden their fathers could never live up to (the law) and its sad 2000 years later we still have people making the same mistake. Then saying they believe In rest

 

[dcontroversal]

rest,

people who are working, need rest, they take rest when they sit to take lunch or sit on break, or sleep, basically they stop working

god promises us who come to him rest, what is this?

it is when we stop working, in the biblical case, stop working at the law. Stop trying to meet some standard you think needs to be met to either make you qualified for entrance to heaven (salvation) or makes you appear like a god fearing god loving person, who is morally good, and acceptable to god as a child (makes him happy)

rest Is not going back to the law and trying to obey it, trying to live up to the standard you can NEVER live up to begin with, rest is sitting still, trusting god to work through you, and moving forward, knowing god has your back no matter what!

Paul spent his years as an apostle fighting the judiasers who continued to try to push gods children to go back to the burden their fathers could never live up to (the law) and its sad 2000 years later we still have people making the same mistake. Then saying they believe In rest

Amen to that.....they cannot grasp the context of Hebrews in light of the bondage that Israel was under due to the law.....the Land flowing with milk, honey and freaking grapes thay required two men to carry was right there in front of them....God GAVE IT TO THEM, said HE WOULD DRIVE OUT the people before them and all they had to do was possess it....this was their place of rest and they said NO and they were a DAY LATE and a "dolla" short......what was the root cause of their rejection by God ->>NO FAITH, UNBELIEF.........

HE that believes on the SON is having everlasting life <--JESUS BY FAITH IS OUR REST!

This is the work of God the Father-->>>BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE HATH SENT

BE NOT REMOVED FROM THE simplicty found in CHRIST

It pleased God, by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

HER whole premise is false.....Moving on to maturity or not has ZERO impact on our BIRTH which has ALREADY TAKEN PLACE by faith....it is ETERNAL and GIVEN IRREVOCABLY......and for SURE cannot be gained, earned, maintained, procured, embellished etc. by what we do or don't do!

 

[DeighAnn]

The Jewish day begins at shortly before Sunset, so the SABBATH is from approximately Sunset on Friday to approximately
Sunset on Saturday.


https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/526873/jewish/The-Jewish-Day.htm

https://www.chabad.org/library/arti...Why-do-Jewish-holidays-begin-at-nightfall.htm

HE TOLD YOU CORRECTLY:

Wikepedia:

According to halakha (Jewish religious law), Shabbat is observed from a few minutes before sunset on Friday evening until the appearance of three stars in the sky on Saturday night.[1] Shabbat is ushered in by lighting candles and reciting a blessing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat

It is based on GOD's TIMETABLE:

Genesis 1:5 (ASV)
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

But

The Jewish day begins at shortly before Sunset, so the SABBATH is from approximately Sunset on Friday to approximately
Sunset on Saturday.


https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/526873/jewish/The-Jewish-Day.htm

https://www.chabad.org/library/arti...Why-do-Jewish-holidays-begin-at-nightfall.htm

HE TOLD YOU CORRECTLY:

Wikepedia:

According to halakha (Jewish religious law), Shabbat is observed from a few minutes before sunset on Friday evening until the appearance of three stars in the sky on Saturday night.[1] Shabbat is ushered in by lighting candles and reciting a blessing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat

It is based on GOD's TIMETABLE:

Genesis 1:5 (ASV)
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

What did he tell me correctly?? And why did he mention it at all? What post of mine caused him to bring it up? Because I can't find anything I said in any post that would have caused the reply, or quote or THE FALSE ACCUSATION.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Amen to that.....they cannot grasp the context of Hebrews in light of the bondage that Israel was under due to the law.....the Land flowing with milk, honey and freaking grapes thay required two men to carry was right there in front of them....God GAVE IT TO THEM, said HE WOULD DRIVE OUT the people before them and all they had to do was possess it....this was their place of rest and they said NO and they were a DAY LATE and a "dolla" short......what was the root cause of their rejection by God ->>NO FAITH, UNBELIEF.........

HE that believes on the SON is having everlasting life <--JESUS BY FAITH IS OUR REST!

This is the work of God the Father-->>>BELIEVE ON HIM WHOM HE HATH SENT

BE NOT REMOVED FROM THE simplicty found in CHRIST

It pleased God, by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

HER whole premise is false.....Moving on to maturity or not has ZERO impact on our BIRTH which has ALREADY TAKEN PLACE by faith....it is ETERNAL and GIVEN IRREVOCABLY......and for SURE cannot be gained, earned, maintained, procured, embellished etc. by what we do or don't do!

Amen

the land is theirs, now, how blessed they would be in the land was dependent on how much they trusted god after they got it, but it was and is still there’s, and will be forever.

gods gifts and promises are irrevocable, whether it be land, or salvation.

i am reminded of pauls words when I see people trying to push law


1 Timothy 1:7
desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm

 

[dcontroversal]

Amen

the land is theirs, now, how blessed they would be in the land was dependent on how much they trusted god after they got it, but it was and is still there’s, and will be forever.

gods gifts and promises are irrevocable, whether it be land, or salvation.

i am reminded of pauls words when I see people trying to push law


1 Timothy 1:7
desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm

Exactly.........and good point