Could use some help

[posthuman]

If Jesus died for all mankind, then, according to John 6:38, all mankind will be raised up at the last day and I don't think that you believe that.

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I saw the dead, both great and small stand before God: ​

and the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book of life ​

(Revelation 20:12) ​

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oh look, all mankind standing on the last day.
as tho raised up . . . _______________________________________




but are they all written in that particular book, that of life?

 

[posthuman]

All scripture must harmonize.

AMEN

 

[posthuman]

Indeed, "God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36), because of "His obedience even to death on the cross" (Phil 2:8)
Jesus, whom "God raised from the dead" (Rom 10:9), has become the "Firstborn over all Creation" (Col 1:15)
Having proved Himself faithful, Jesus received "The nations as His inheritance, And the ends of the earth as His possession." (Psalm 2:8)
"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." - Matt 28:18

Jesus is the "King of kings and Lord of lords." !

Amen!

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that, plus this:

For YHVH your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords: ​

a great God, mighty and terrible, which accepteth no persons, nor taketh reward
(Deuteronomy 10:17) ​

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equals Jesus Christ is YHVH, Lord of lords.

He expects us to put this together, just like He taught in parables, and just like how He hid Himself, having He humbled Himself and was found after the appearance of a man: just as we have died and our life is hid with Him in God.

 

[posthuman]

Would "Jesus is Lord" mean both Jesus is God and that Jesus is Lord of all creation?

this question brings up another question -

And the LORD said to Satan, ​

“The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! ​

Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?” ​

(Zechariah 3:2) ​

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the LORD said "the LORD rebuke you"
He speaks in first person about Himself in third person. what does this mean?

this also goes with, "the LORD said to my Lord" - Psalm 110:1, which Christ teaches us about in Matthew 22:44, by asking enigmatic question: how then can He be David's son? yet He is the Son of David. yet eternal Son of God. yet eternal God manifest in the flesh.

He's not 'simple' not by a country mile
His name is Wonderful -

Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
it is high, I cannot attain it!​

(Psalm 139:6) ​

 

[UnderGrace]

These all easily fit into what the Word declares that I teach... that Jesus has a God.

And you realize of course that John 10:30, taken with John 17:21 would mean that these disciples are also "God", since they are "one with Christ as He is One with the Father."

And Truthfully... (and here come the attacks of blasphemy as they came to Jesus!)... in that Day, the overcoming Elect will be able to say, along with the Son... "I AM."

Man, I love teaching the TRUTH!!

If I thought you'd really listen, I'd engage you further. But you have made up your mind.
Others have messaged me privately, here and elsewhere, with questions and thanks for the confirmations on what the Lord has revealed to them as well.

If I thought you'd really listen, I'd engage you further. But you have made up your mind.
Others have messaged me privately, here and elsewhere, with questions and thanks for the confirmations on what the Lord has revealed to them as well

This troubles me beyond my words to express... seriously it does.

The Lord did not reveal that to them because it is not truth.

 

[posthuman]

Jesus is the "King of kings and Lord of lords." !

YHVH is King of kings and Lord of lords, amen

The king answered Daniel, and said, ​

“Truly your God is the God of gods, the Lord of kings,​

and a revealer of secrets, since you could reveal this secret!"​

(Daniel 2:47)​

amen, Jesus Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords

Oh, give thanks to the Lord, for He is good!​

For His mercy endures forever!​

Oh, give thanks to the God of gods!​

For His mercy endures forever!​

Oh, give thanks to the Lord of lords!​

For His mercy endures forever!​

(Psalm 136:1-3)​

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Transitive
A relation R on a set S is transitive provided that for all x, y and z in S such that xRy and yRz, we also have xRz.

ex:
if A = B and B = C then A = C

 

[ForestGreenCook]

delivered from what?
temporally delivered from what?

We are delivered many, many, times as we live here in this world. If you pray to God to heal an illness that you have and he does, you have just experienced a deliverance from the awful effects of the illness. When you ask God for forgiveness of a sin that you have committed, and he forgives you, you have just experienced a deliverance of the consequences of that sin. You just think about it and you will realise that you are delivered from something almost daily. It is a shame to hear people say "I sure was lucky that I escaped that wreck". We do not give God credit where credit is due.

 

[UnderGrace]

These all easily fit into what the Word declares that I teach... that Jesus has a God.

And you realize of course that John 10:30, taken with John 17:21 would mean that these disciples are also "God", since they are "one with Christ as He is One with the Father."

And Truthfully... (and here come the attacks of blasphemy as they came to Jesus!)... in that Day, the overcoming Elect will be able to say, along with the Son... "I AM."

Man, I love teaching the TRUTH!!

If I thought you'd really listen, I'd engage you further. But you have made up your mind.
Others have messaged me privately, here and elsewhere, with questions and thanks for the confirmations on what the Lord has revealed to them as well.

His prayer was for a pattern of unity among believers, He is not praying that the Elect would be able to state I Am.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me,​

and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, ​

neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand!​

(John 10-27:28)​

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here's some whosoever's

Exactly.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me,​

and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, ​

neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand!​

(John 10-27:28)​

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here's some whosoever's

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I saw the dead, both great and small stand before God: ​

and the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book of life ​

(Revelation 20:12) ​

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oh look, all mankind standing on the last day.
as tho raised up . . . _______________________________________




but are they all written in that particular book, that of life? [/QUOTE The fact still remains that Jesus did not die for all mankind.

 

[limmuwd]

His prayer was for a pattern of unity among believers, He is not praying that the Elect would be able to state I Am.

Notice the difference between those who will truly become One with Christ, and the world who will believe when they see Christ in the Elect, just as the Elect see God in Christ Jesus -
"that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me." - John 17:21

Paul confirms this Truth in Romans 8:17, speaking, not to mere "believers", but to "those who are IN Christ" (not the same thing), and says that they are "heirs of God, and co-heirs with Christ."

I am not here teaching some new thing, but only, by God's Spirit, revealing things that have been in the Scripture all along, and truly present a far greater and more glorious picture of Eternity than is currently taught in most churches today.

Peace & Blessings to all,
Michael
The Greatest Gift (Inheritance of Creation)

 

[posthuman]

And you realize of course that John 10:30, taken with John 17:21 would mean that these disciples are also "God", since they are "one with Christ as He is One with the Father."

in John 17:21 He prays that they be one in the same way He and the Father are One - that we be one in Him - as verse 22, that they be one "as" He is one. then in verse 23, that He in we as He in He. and this is in order that the world know who it is which sent Him.

that doesn't make us God. that makes us dead, and our life hid in Him in God: for He is our life; not our identity, and we are being conformed to His image: not being made Him, but being made like Him.

 

[limmuwd]

in John 17:21 He prays that they be one in the same way He and the Father are One - that we be one in Him - as verse 22, that they be one "as" He is one. then in verse 23, that He in we as He in He. and this is in order that the world know who it is which sent Him.

that doesn't make us God. that makes us dead, and our life hid in Him in God: for He is our life; not our identity, and we are being conformed to His image: not being made Him, but being made like Him.

Amen. Just as Jesus is "the express image of God", we shall be the express image of Christ.
For as Christ Jesus is subject to God, (1Cor 15:28), the "elect" the "kings" will be subject to the "King."

Truly, God is unveiling Truth in our day, as we are heading toward Tabernacles.
May we be among those who are made "one with Them."

 

[posthuman]

"those who are IN Christ" (not the same thing)

just some math:

• =
  • A = B
  • "A equals B"
    • A is equivalent to B
• ∈
  • A ∈ B
  • "A is in B"
    • A is contained in B

you can get yourself in a ditch pretty fast if you mix these up. they're not the same thing.

 

[posthuman]

just some math:

• =
  • A = B
  • "A equals B"
    • A is equivalent to B
• ∈
  • A ∈ B
  • "A is in B"
    • A is contained in B

you can get yourself in a ditch pretty fast if you mix these up. they're not the same thing.

now that we understand the symbols, a brief & useful proof:


let A and B be sets, such that A = {a1 a2 . . . } and B = {b1 b2 . . .}

suppose that for each a ∈ A, a ∈ B
then by definition, A ∈ B
suppose also that for each b ∈ B, b ∈ A
then by definition, B ∈ A
since A = {a1 a2 . . } and B = {b1 b2 ...} it must be that for each ai ∈ A, there is a bj ∈ B such that
ai = bj
the same is true for each b ∈ B
therefore, by reassigning indices we can write {a1 a2 . . } = {b1 b2 ..}
that is,
A = B

in short:
if A ∈ B and B ∈ A then A = B

 

[posthuman]

now that we understand the symbols, a brief & useful proof:


let A and B be sets, such that A = {a1 a2 . . . } and B = {b1 b2 . . .}

suppose that for each a ∈ A, a ∈ B
then by definition, A ∈ B
suppose also that for each b ∈ B, b ∈ A
then by definition, B ∈ A
since A = {a1 a2 . . } and B = {b1 b2 ...} it must be that for each ai ∈ A, there is a bj ∈ B such that
ai = bj
the same is true for each b ∈ B
therefore, by reassigning indices we can write {a1 a2 . . } = {b1 b2 ..}
that is,
A = B

in short:
if A ∈ B and B ∈ A then A = B

let's look at an application:

You, Father, are in Me, and I in You
(John 17:21)
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what the Lord of lords says here can be written:

{the Father} ∈ {the Son} and {the Son} ∈ {the Father}

if this is saying all of the Father is in the Son and all of the Son is in the Father, then it is expressing each mutually contained in the other:

→ the Son = the Father

if however it is only saying that some elements are contained, then it isn't enough to prove equivalence.
((recall that our proof assumed the entire sets was contained in the other))

is that the case? let's see:
Colossians 1:19 - the fullness of God dwells bodily in Jesus Christ
all of the Father is in the Son, so the Father is completely contained in the Son
John 14:9 - who has seen Jesus Christ has seen the Father
all of the Son is in the Father, so the Son is completely contained in the Son

it is the case: Christ is God


@limmuwd can you similarly show that you, being a believer, are God?

 

[posthuman]

BTW --

in case anyone savvy catches on, yes, i know that i should be using ⊂ and ⊆ and differentiating them from ∈
but 99.995% of everyone who reads this already has their eyes glazed over the moment i said the word "math" -- so it's simpler not to introduce more complexity even though proper rigor would require it. that said, this is why i used sets A, B with members ai, bi - it equivalently establishes the algebraic structure with just a little work that 'the better student can show..' hehe

if this post makes no sense to anyone reading it don't worry about it. just details

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

now that we understand the symbols, a brief & useful proof:


let A and B be sets, such that A = {a1 a2 . . . } and B = {b1 b2 . . .}

suppose that for each a ∈ A, a ∈ B
then by definition, A ∈ B
suppose also that for each b ∈ B, b ∈ A
then by definition, B ∈ A
since A = {a1 a2 . . } and B = {b1 b2 ...} it must be that for each ai ∈ A, there is a bj ∈ B such that
ai = bj
the same is true for each b ∈ B
therefore, by reassigning indices we can write {a1 a2 . . } = {b1 b2 ..}
that is,
A = B

in short:
if A ∈ B and B ∈ A then A = B

I thought you didn’t speak in tongues? 🤯

 

[limmuwd]

Notice the difference between those who will truly become One with Christ, and the world who will believe when they see Christ in the Elect, just as the Elect see God in Christ Jesus -
"that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me." - John 17:21

Paul confirms this Truth in Romans 8:17, speaking, not to mere "believers", but to "those who are IN Christ" (not the same thing), and says that they are "heirs of God, and co-heirs with Christ."

I am not here teaching some new thing, but only, by God's Spirit, revealing things that have been in the Scripture all along, and truly present a far greater and more glorious picture of Eternity than is currently taught in most churches today.

Peace & Blessings to all,
Michael
The Greatest Gift (Inheritance of Creation)

Got a "sad" reaction to the portions of Scripture quoted above.

Yes, it can be hard for some when we've grown so accustomed to our modern understanding, and the traditions of our religion, but when the Truth is revealed it should bring rejoicing over God's great plan and purpose for Creation, not sadness.

Personally, I thank God as He continues to open my eyes and set me free from man-made traditions and carnal understanding to His Word.

"Show me Your ways, O Lord;
Teach me Your paths.
5 Lead me in Your truth and teach me,
For You are the God of my salvation;
On You I wait all the day.
9 The humble He guides in justice,
And the humble He teaches His way.
10 All the paths of the Lord are mercy and truth,
To such as keep His covenant and His testimonies."
- Psalm 25:4-5,9-10

Amen

 

[posthuman]

srry, typo:

John 14:9 - who has seen Jesus Christ has seen the Father
all of the Son is in the Father, so the Son is completely contained in the Son

* should read, "so the Son is completely contained in the Father"

my bad, i should have proofread better before i posted.