Could use some help

[Magenta]

Would anyone like to answer this question?

"Jesus is Lord" is the shortest credal affirmation found in the New Testament, one of several slightly more elaborate variations. It serves as a statement of faith for the majority of Christians who regard Jesus as both fully man and God. It is the motto of the World Council of Churches. This page may also help

 

[limmuwd]

Does "Jesus is Lord" mean that Jesus is Lord of all creation?

Indeed, "God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36), because of "His obedience even to death on the cross" (Phil 2:8)
Jesus, whom "God raised from the dead" (Rom 10:9), has become the "Firstborn over all Creation" (Col 1:15)
Having proved Himself faithful, Jesus received "The nations as His inheritance, And the ends of the earth as His possession." (Psalm 2:8)
"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." - Matt 28:18

Jesus is the "King of kings and Lord of lords." !

Amen!

 

[Adstar]

But the natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14 cannot believe his teachings because he cannot discern the things of the Spirit until he has been born of the Spirit.(Eph 2:5).

That's why the Holy Spirit works upon people.. Moves and convicts them, It is the process that leads them to salvation.. The Holy Spirit takes them one step at a time until they reach the step where they are offered the Gospel Way of Salvation.. That's when they either take that step by believing and trusting in the Way and thus receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.. Or they resist the leading of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit leaves them to themselves..

Many are called.. Few are chosen..

 

[Adstar]

Would "Jesus is Lord" mean both Jesus is God and that Jesus is Lord of all creation?

If Jesus is God then it flows from that that he is also the Lord of all creation.. This is Automatic.

 

[Adstar]

Indeed, "God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36), because of "His obedience even to death on the cross" (Phil 2:8)
Jesus, whom "God raised from the dead" (Rom 10:9), has become the "Firstborn over all Creation" (Col 1:15)
Having proved Himself faithful, Jesus received "The nations as His inheritance, And the ends of the earth as His possession." (Psalm 2:8)
"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." - Matt 28:18

Jesus is the "King of kings and Lord of lords." !

Amen!

Good scriptures Yes Jesus is Lord of Lords making Him the ultimate Lord of creation

 

[ForestGreenCook]

That's why the Holy Spirit works upon people.. Moves and convicts them, It is the process that leads them to salvation.. The Holy Spirit takes them one step at a time until they reach the step where they are offered the Gospel Way of Salvation.. That's when they either take that step by believing and trusting in the Way and thus receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.. Or they resist the leading of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit leaves them to themselves..

Many are called.. Few are chosen..

The natural man will never take the step of believing and trusting in the things of the Spirit until in the new birth he has been given a fleshy heart to replace his stony heart. Many of God's elect have been called to know the gospel, but remain babes in Christ and do not develop to know the meat of the gospel. Few are chosen to be revealed the meat of the gospel.

 

[IFOLLOWHIM]

The natural man will never take the step of believing and trusting in the things of the Spirit until in the new birth he has been given a fleshy heart to replace his stony heart. Many of God's elect have been called to know the gospel, but remain babes in Christ and do not develop to know the meat of the gospel. Few are chosen to be revealed the meat of the gospel.

Please what is it with you and "The elect" saying you have going on?
You seem to think you KNOW the mind of God and whom He has chosen.
Note I said " seem to think"!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Please what is it with you and "The elect" saying you have going on?
You seem to think you KNOW the mind of God and whom He has chosen.
Note I said " seem to think"!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Are you not aware that the scriptures speak a lot about the elect of God, or do you just choose to ignore them?

 

[IFOLLOWHIM]

Are you not aware that the scriptures speak a lot about the elect of God, or do you just choose to ignore them?

I am aware of MUCH in the word....It is full of knowledge,wisdom,hope,faith building,ect.ect....
God is not a one trick
poney.

 

[UnderGrace]

Indeed, "God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36), because of "His obedience even to death on the cross" (Phil 2:8)
Jesus, whom "God raised from the dead" (Rom 10:9), has become the "Firstborn over all Creation" (Col 1:15)
Having proved Himself faithful, Jesus received "The nations as His inheritance, And the ends of the earth as His possession." (Psalm 2:8)
"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." - Matt 28:18

Jesus is the "King of kings and Lord of lords." !

Amen!

And please clarify your view Limmuwd is Jesus co-equal with the Father and was the Logos in the beginning ?

Your words ....

Literally hundreds of verses in the Bible show the relationship between the Father and the Son, and They are not the same; not “co-equal”. For one thing, Jesus is something that God is not: flesh & bone. And we know the Bible states that God “made Jesus Lord and Christ” because of His obedience, and that His Name is “above every other name”; yet Jesus is and will always be “subject to God.”

Link (Extreme Caution)

 

[limmuwd]

And please clarify your view Limmuwd is Jesus co-equal with the Father and was the Logos in the beginning ?

Your words ....

Link (Extreme Caution)

I will let the Word of God speak for itself....

Indeed, "God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36), because of "His obedience even to death on the cross" (Phil 2:8)
Jesus, whom "God raised from the dead" (Rom 10:9), has become the "Firstborn over all Creation" (Col 1:15)

Having proved Himself faithful, Jesus received "The nations as His inheritance, And the ends of the earth as His possession." (Psalm 2:8)
"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." - Matt 28:18

Jesus is the "King of kings and Lord of lords." !

Amen!

 

[UnderGrace]

I will let the Word of God speak for itself....

Indeed, "God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36), because of "His obedience even to death on the cross" (Phil 2:8)
Jesus, whom "God raised from the dead" (Rom 10:9), has become the "Firstborn over all Creation" (Col 1:15)

Having proved Himself faithful, Jesus received "The nations as His inheritance, And the ends of the earth as His possession." (Psalm 2:8)
"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." - Matt 28:18

Jesus is the "King of kings and Lord of lords." !

Amen!

Then deal with these scriptures.....

1. John 10:30 The Father and I are one.
2. Philippians 2:5-6 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.
3. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
4. John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
5. Colossians 2:9-10 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.
6. John 8:57-58 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”

And I have more when you are done

 

[limmuwd]

Then deal with these scriptures.....

1. John 10:30 The Father and I are one.
2. Philippians 2:5-6 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.
3. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
4. John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
5. Colossians 2:9-10 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.
6. John 8:57-58 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”

And I have more when you are done

These all easily fit into what the Word declares that I teach... that Jesus has a God.

And you realize of course that John 10:30, taken with John 17:21 would mean that these disciples are also "God", since they are "one with Christ as He is One with the Father."

And Truthfully... (and here come the attacks of blasphemy as they came to Jesus!)... in that Day, the overcoming Elect will be able to say, along with the Son... "I AM."

Man, I love teaching the TRUTH!!

If I thought you'd really listen, I'd engage you further. But you have made up your mind.
Others have messaged me privately, here and elsewhere, with questions and thanks for the confirmations on what the Lord has revealed to them as well.

 

[posthuman]

And one cannot receive the gift of the Holy Spirit without FIRST repenting and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.

how is it that John the baptist was filled with the Spirit from the womb?

 

[posthuman]

Our confession of our faith does deliver us as we sojourn here on earth the minute we confess it.

When you "just couldn't do it anymore" you were delivered right then and there in time.

delivered from what?
temporally delivered from what?

 

[posthuman]

Those that Christ died for, which was not all mankind, but only those that his Father gave him, were forgiven, in a covenant relationship, at the time of Christ's death on the cross as he paid for all of their sins that they would ever commit.

i agree when He died for my sins He did so for all of them - He is the creator of time, not bound by it, and for goodness sake, i wasn't even born till almost 2,000 years later, so if we have to look at it from within a timelike frame of reference, all my sins were future at the 'time' so..

but what do you mean 'a covenant relationship' and have you read,

He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again​

(2 Corinthians 5:15)
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does this not say "He died for all" ?
and this:

Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, because He poured out His soul unto death, and He was numbered with the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
(Isaiah 53:12)
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this says He "bore the sin" of "many"
is many = all ?
how do these fit together?

isn't it not, as you said, that He did not die for all - because scripture directly refutes that - but that He did not bear the sins of all?
His atonement is sufficient for all sin, but He does not condemn those whose sins He has taken away - yet the sheep go to the right, and the goats to the left, being divided by the sword of His mouth.

 

[posthuman]

LORD in the OT always refered to God..
Jesus is LORD means Jesus is God..

Would "Jesus is Lord" mean both Jesus is God and that Jesus is Lord of all creation?

LORD in the OT isn't the word "lord"
LORD in the OT is the name YHVH -- instead of printing or translating the name, most Bibles put "Lord" - KJV in particular and some others always put it in capitals, LORD to denote that it's not the word adonai, which is "lord" in Hebrew. when you see "LORD" it's not adonai = lord; it's Yah's name.

the name YHVH is not in the NT at all. ((despite the JW's putting 'Jehovah' all over in their special 'version'))
so when you see "Jesus is Lord" in the NT, it's the Greek equivalent of the word adonai.

so - even tho yes, Christ is God, the NT saying "Jesus is Lord" isn't textually equivalent to saying "Jesus is YHVH"
there are other proofs of that, many of them -- practically the entire book of John for example -- and you can from a logical chain of scripture deduce that God is the Lord, therefore Jesus being Lord is a statement of His divinity, but IMO that statement by itself isn't a direct proof that Jesus is God. it's part of an indirect one.

 

[posthuman]

You must belong to the " Tater" family!
Agitater,aggravater,instigater, etc ect

i have a friend named Tater

 

[posthuman]

I admire that you base your belief on what the scriptures say. I also believe that scripture will prove scripture if you do not ignore any of them and they all harmonize. 2 Pet 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to US-WARD (Peter includes himself in this warning), not willing that any should PERISH (Greek=destroy, die, lose, mar.) , but that all should come to repentance. We have to go back to 2 Pet 1:1 to see who peter is talking to, and it is to "them that have obtained like precious faith" so peter is talking to people that have been born of the Spirit, not to the natural man (1 Cor 2:14) that has not been born of the Spirit and cannot discern the things of the Spirit and would never repent of breaking a spiritual law that he thinks is foolish. The "whosoever will" would not include the natural man either.

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me,​

and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand!​

(John 10-27:28)
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here's some whosoever's

 

[posthuman]

My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me,​

and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, ​

neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand!​

(John 10-27:28)​

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here's some whosoever's