Trudeau Wins Minority Gov't

[Angela53510]

So while the Liberal party no longer holds an outright majority of seats, there are enough Leftist office holders to make a government. Hence "minority government?"

I appreciate your patience with this Yank

Basically! We have 3 left wing parties. The Liberals used to be centrists, but Trudeau moved them radically left, beside the NDP or New Democratic Party, which started more as a party for union members. Then the Green Party, run by a dual Canadian-American leader, Elizabeth May who was born and raised in the US, till she moved to Canada at age 16. She has never officially renounced her American citizenship the Greens have 3 members in Parliament. Some wit on Twitter noted that at this rate, the Greens will win a majority gov't in 670 years.

The Liberals lost 27 seats for 157 seats. The leader of the Liberals becomes the Prime minister. They lost all their seats in Alberta and Saskatchewan. Of course, Trudeau barely showed up to campaign, he is so hated there, for blocking all further pipelines for oil & gas. For the carbon generated by AGW, even the the earth has been cooling for 3 years, and AGW is a hoax to push a carbon tax which does nothing for a wrong idea.

The Conservatives won the majority of votes, but because of major inequities in the number of people per riding, did not win enough seats to be the minority gov't. Andrew Scheer was the leader. He is a strong Christian and family man. Trudeau bought off the MSM with $600M and they never reported a single good thing about Scheer, as opposed to blackfaced Trudeau, the lying, dumb, incoherent and corrupt hypocritical narcissist.

There is the Bloc Québécois -a separatist party running to get the most out of the ROC they can. They had a new leader, and he swept out the NDP, probably because he was a Sikh terrorist for a homeland for Khalistan. They did well, and have conservative leanings if it helps Quebec! They have 33 seats.

Last but not least, the PPC or People's Party of Canada has no seats. It sounds like a communist party, but is extreme right wing. Started by a sore loser of the Conservative Party leadership run, he jumps parties and beliefs all the time. They had 1.5% of the popular vote. The Conservatives in Alberta, for example, took 70% of the popular vote, 34.4% across Canada, the Libs had 33.1%. However, the PPCs divided the vote in a big way. The Conservatives lost nearly 10 seats when they split the vote. One riding needed 57 votes, the PPC had 250 votes, so the Libs won.

The Liberals will stay in gov't, if every bill they propose passes. This requires enlisting the Greens and NDP to vote for them, by adding something they want to the bill. If any bill they propose gets defeated, the gov't falls and we are headed back to the polls, right away. Harper kept his minority gov't going for years, till he got a majority. But Trudeau is not known for his ability to negotiate anything except the Bhangra, so time will tell.

It is a different system, the parliamentary system, from Britain. it only works well if it is run by gentlemen with honesty and integrity, which Trudeau does not have. Sigh!

 

[PennEd]

Because of Quebec, the ability to leave is written into our constitution, which was signed and completed in 1982 by Pierre Trudeau. It covers any province wanting to leave Canada. There would be a lot of finagling, because of Canada's debt, but no need for a civil war.

We are Canadians! We don't do things that way! The amount of "sorries" would be overwhelming, though! Lol

I hope you’re right, but you may be underestimating just how bad the authoritarian left truly is.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Is there a process for secession in Canada? Trying to think of an example where violence wasn't necessary for a nation to break away from another nation.

Canadians are not pacifists.

there has been some very bad bloodshed in Canada over Quebec wanting to leave and maybe some peope forgot, but it was actually Trudeau's father, Pierre Elliot Trudeau, who dealt with it and called the army out and and issued a curfew during the events of what is called 'the October Crisis' of 1970

this was hardly a small event so it does not go to say Canadians are all about peace and thank you.

read the following for the facts on those events:

(and who is to say that nothing like this would ever happen again. the world is in upheavel around the globe and Canadians are not really the pacifists some would like to paint them as. we have an unqualified mommy's boy as the current leader and, as has been pointed out, if we had a fairer political system as has the US, Trudeau would be at home crying on his wife's shoulder, instead of trying to figure out how to hold onto power in order to help out the globalists that he is a part of.

here is the article from wiki, but if you search, there are many many articles. Quebec already had two attempts at leaving Canada put to the vote and neither suceeded. I doubt things would have gone smoothly since the St Lawrence seaway does not belong to Quebec, but belongs to the Federal Gov and they were not going to hand that over to Quebec

U.S. Saint Lawrence Seaway Development Corporation (SLSDC)

The Saint Lawrence Seaway Development Corporation is a wholly owned government corporation created by statute May 13, 1954, to construct, operate and maintain that part of the St. Lawrence Seaway between the Port of Montreal and Lake Erie, within the territorial limits of the United States. Trade development functions aim to enhance Great Lakes/St. Lawrence Seaway System utilization without respect to territorial or geographic limits.

The mission of the Corporation is to serve the U.S. intermodal and international transportation system by improving the operation and maintenance of a safe, reliable, environmentally responsible deep-draft waterway, in cooperation with its Canadian counterpart. The SLSDC also encourages the development of trade through the Great Lakes Seaway System, which contributes to the comprehensive economic and environmental development of the entire Great Lakes region.

ok, sorry but things are not really simple as has been portrayed, so here again is the info

(my dad was called in during the Oct crisis so I am not ignorant about it and know a few things I am not repeating that the general public does not know. the details of the kidnapping of Mr Laporte were not published even though he was eventually killed.)

The October Crisis (French: La crise d'octobre) occurred in October 1970 in the province of Quebec in Canada, mainly in the Montreal metropolitan area. Members of the Front de libération du Québec (FLQ) kidnapped the provincial Deputy Premier Pierre Laporte and British diplomat James Cross. In response, Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau invoked the only peacetime use of the War Measures Act. The kidnappers murdered Laporte and negotiations led to Cross's release and the kidnappers' exile to Cuba.

The Premier of Quebec Robert Bourassa and the Mayor of Montreal Jean Drapeau supported Trudeau's invocation of the War Measures Act, which limited civil liberties. The police were enabled with far-reaching powers, and they arrested and detained, without bail, 497 individuals, all but 62 of whom were later released without charges. The Government of Quebec also requested military aid to the civil power, and Canadian Forces deployed throughout Quebec; they acted in a support role to the civil authorities of Quebec.[1]:86–91

At the time, opinion polls throughout Canada, including in Quebec, showed widespread support for the use of the War Measures Act.[2] The response, however, was criticized at the time by prominent politicians such as René Lévesque and Tommy Douglas.[3]

The events of October 1970 galvanized opposition to the use of violence in efforts to gain Quebec sovereignty and accelerated the movement towards electoral means of attaining greater autonomy and independence,[4]:256 including support for the sovereigntist Parti Québécois, which formed the provincial government in 1976.

From 1963 to 1970 the Quebec nationalist group Front de libération du Québec detonated over 950 bombs.[5] While mailboxes, particularly in the affluent and predominantly Anglophone city of Westmount, were common targets, the largest single bombing was of the Montreal Stock Exchange on February 13, 1969, which caused extensive damage and injured 27 people. Other targets included Montreal City Hall, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, armed forces recruiting offices, railway tracks, and army installations. FLQ members, in a strategic move, had stolen several tons of dynamite from military and industrial sites, and, financed by bank robberies, they threatened through their official communication organ, known as La Cognée, that more attacks were to come.

By 1970, 23 members of the FLQ were in prison, including four convicted of murder. On February 26, 1970, two men in a panel truck, including Jacques Lanctôt, were arrested in Montreal when they were discovered with a sawed-off shotgun and a communiqué announcing the kidnapping of the Israeli consul. In June, police raided a home in the small community of Prévost, north of Montreal in the Laurentian Mountains, and found firearms, ammunition, 300 pounds (140 kg) of dynamite, detonators, and the draft of a ransom note to be used in the kidnapping of the United States consul.[6]




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[UnderGrace]

Because of Quebec, the ability to leave is written into our constitution, which was signed and completed in 1982 by Pierre Trudeau. It covers any province wanting to leave Canada. There would be a lot of finagling, because of Canada's debt, but no need for a civil war.

We are Canadians! We don't do things that way! The amount of "sorries" would be overwhelming, though! Lol

Exactly, there would not be a civil war in Canada, it did not happen between Upper and Lower Canada and it will not happen now.

 

[UnderGrace]

I hope you’re right, but you may be underestimating just how bad the authoritarian left truly is.

Most people in Canada are to the left of center or centrist.... there may some economic conservatives in the mix, there are three left of center parties in Canada, Canada is a very different culture than our neighbours to the south.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

oh boy..what is upper and lower Canada exactly? two historical British colonies, that's what

which begs the question? what year is this again?

if anyone is actually interested, besides those who do not know the facts, and just would be happy to disagree with me beause they have personal grudges on this forum because of disagreements in our beliefs, just google things like 'what would happen if the west tried to separate from Canada...or any other segment/province

get real

https://business.financialpost.com/...paratist-the-rest-of-canada-is-in-big-trouble

and so much more. as the OT prophets were known to say....peace peace when there is no peace. that really bugs God

only Jesus brings peace and by and large, Jesus is not all really believed and that includes, sadly, many Christians who seem to think if they tribal dance and chant enough, they are going to bring Jesus back

we have those who think even the book of Revelation is history and those who think prophets today are God's mouthpiece rather than the Bible and no one pays attention when those...cough cough....prophecies fail time after time after time

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Most people in Canada are to the left of center or centrist.... there may some economic conservatives in the mix, there are three left of center parties in Canada, Canada is a very different culture than our neighbours to the south.

more ignoring of the facts.

so Russia is going to just ignore Canada because people think Canada is a big nothing? I am wondering where that sand pile is that some people apparently have their noggins buried in

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...estabilization-efforts-minister-idUSKBN16D2LE

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hina-and-canada-are-playing-economic-footsie/

Canada has the same liberal journalists lying and spreading lies as does the US

it's called the CBC and is basically just another propaganda arm for the left

it's called the Canadian Broadcasting Corp but just like the major news platforms in the US have aka's handed out by conservatives, it is also called the Communist Broadcasting Corp

haven't folks in the US kept up with the leftists muzzling Christians? it's a crime in Canada to say certain things and you will go to jail

if you think the west is unhappy, do some research on Eastern Canada...the gov there is utterly corrupt! from the utilities to the laws

and as for Muslims in Canada? check this out with reference to the CBC:


The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation: Serving Canada or Serving Islamists?
by Tom Quiggin
February 6, 2018 at 4:00 am

• In practice, the CBC only respects sensibilities when it comes to Islamists such as ISIS or to those who attacked Charlie Hebdo. When it comes to attacking Christians and Jews, the CBC exercises no such restraint.
• The CBC also quotes organizations such as the National Council for Canadian Muslims, formerly known as CAIR CAN, which the CBC has referred to as a civil rights group. But they failed to note that CAIR CAN was formed to support its parent organization, CAIR USA, which is a listed terrorist group in the United Arab Emirates. It also does not mention that CAIR USA was formed in part by supporters of Hamas and that it has had multiple run-ins with terrorism financing.
• Similarly, when supporting a variety of Islamist issues, the CBC quotes as a source the Canadian Council of Imams. The CBC does not reveal, however, that the Vice President of the Council of Imams, Hakim Quick, believes that the position of Islam on homosexuality is death. It also does not state that the "Emir" of the council is also the head of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA). The ICNA believes that Islam is not compatible with democracy, women are inferior and wife beating is permissible.
• As a criminal and federal court expert on terrorism, specifically jihadist-based terrorism, my opinion is that the CBC has willfully assisted Islamists in the creation of the social, cultural and political spaces necessary for extremism to grow. By deliberately sheltering even ISIS supporters acting out in Canada from public scrutiny, the state broadcaster is failing the Canadian public.... This failure appears willful, intentional, and consistent over time.

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wakie wakie

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Canada's state broadcaster, the Canadian Broadcast Corporation (CBC) consistently supports the Islamist cause, including direct cooperation with terrorist front groups. This support extends to editing domestic Canadian stories to ensure that even ISIS is not criticized in the domestic context. Given that the CBC is owned by the Government of Canada and funded by taxpayers with a billion dollar a year subsidy, the question arises as to whom they serve.

The CBC deliberately removes references to ISIS and other Islamist groups when it would reflect poorly on the terrorist group's presence and influence in Canada. On February 19, 2016, for instance, the CBC ran a story concerning events at Maisonneuve College in Montreal. The bland title was "Collège de Maisonneuve teachers' union wants action over alleged library threats."

In this CBC story, the teacher's union demanded that the college management intervene after threats made to staff in the college's library. Line Légaré, the college's spokesperson, stated teachers had intervened and asked students to lower their voices because they were "quite loud, more than we would like for a library." Police had reported violence in the parking lot on one evening.

By contrast, La Presse, a Montreal based French language newspaper reported the same situation in a story titled "Tensions et intimidation au collège de Maisonneuve" ("Tensions and Intimidation at Maisonneuve College"). The reporting by La Presse stated that the students causing the problems had tried to leave Canada to become ISIS fighters. Additionally, five more Maisonneuve students had succeeded in leaving to be fighters in Syria and Iraq in January 2015, while four other Maisonneuve students had also tried to leave Canada in May of 2015. These included one student who was involved in a violent confrontation that resulted in the police being called. The ISIS-supporting students had taken down the license plate numbers of the staff and had blocked non-Muslim students from using a common space.

The La Presse story also revealed that the ISIS students had tried to take over an entire floor of the library and only allow students who supported ISIS to use the space.

The CBC version excluded any mention of the students who had tried to leave the country to fight for ISIS, and no mention was made that ISIS sympathizers who had tried to leave for ISIS were the key players. The CBC story only focuses on students with "loud voices."

Cooperating with Islamist Fronts
The CBC cooperates with Al Jazeera, which has a long history of being a mouthpiece for the Government of Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood, especially Al Jazeera in Arabic, which has little if anything to do with the English-language version.

same source as above

I will add that Quebec is not as affirming of Muslims or their activities as the rest of Canada

and good for them.


THESE ARE THE FACTS. BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS cc SO LET'S MAKE THEM UP INSTEAD

 

[A-Fool-For-God]

With all these details about Canada and its recent history I am starting to think we're going to need another wall.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

With all these details about Canada and its recent history I am starting to think we're going to need another wall.

well finish the one you started first

fyi, it is also an established fact, reported in both US and Cdn papers and news programs, that illegals will gain entry into Canada and try to cross into the US via that border

apparently snow is an obstacle when you come from a hot country

me? I love snow. but then again I am Canadian

 

[UnderGrace]

oh boy..what is upper and lower Canada exactly? two historical British colonies, that's what

which begs the question? what year is this again?

if anyone is actually interested, besides those who do not know the facts, and just would be happy to disagree with me beause they have personal grudges on this forum because of disagreements in our beliefs, just google things like 'what would happen if the west tried to separate from Canada...or any other segment/province

get real

https://business.financialpost.com/...paratist-the-rest-of-canada-is-in-big-trouble

and so much more. as the OT prophets were known to say....peace peace when there is no peace. that really bugs God

only Jesus brings peace and by and large, Jesus is not all really believed and that includes, sadly, many Christians who seem to think if they tribal dance and chant enough, they are going to bring Jesus back

we have those who think even the book of Revelation is history and those who think prophets today are God's mouthpiece rather than the Bible and no one pays attention when those...cough cough....prophecies fail time after time after time

Exactly, there would not be a civil war in Canada, it did not happen within Upper and/or Lower Canada and it will not happen now.

There fixed.

I have asked several times please do not respond to my posts.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

There fixed.

I have asked several times please do not respond to my posts.

I will respond to anyone's posts that I want to

nothing is fixed; you simply proved once again who you are

perhaps try not responding to negate what I write and that just might make your wishes come true

as it stands, I posted FACTS. current and applicable facts

this isn't the BDF. facts count here

once again, Upper and lower Canada...makes 0 sense within the context of this thread

 

[StrugglingTilMyReward]

Its often said that two topics to avoid in conversation are religion and politics....given that this is a Christian (ergo religious) forum it only makes sense that there's discussion of politics. I'm a Canadian and I voted about as far right as you can.....going with the People's Party and Maxime Bernier, which in my opinion was the only real Conservative option, I consider the so called Conservative Party of Canada to be basically Liberal light. Ultimately it didn't matter, because my riding elected a CPC MP, the PPC candidate only polled about 2,000 votes in total.

But political opinions aside, one thing that is frequently brought home by the Pastor at my church is that we are all image bearers....all of us, whether Liberal, Conservative or anywhere in between. And we are exhorted (as in many churches) to pray for our political leaders...so I will pray that Justin Trudeau's government will perform well and that all Canadians will be treated fairly. During the last parliament faith based orginizations were denied public funding unless they espoused a Pro-Choice view on abortion and a Liberal view on issues like same sex marriage. Thankfully, and prayer may have helped....thankfully that decision was reversed so that faith based groups could once again receive assistance for the hiring of summer students.

With minority governments typically lasting about 2 years (give or take 6 months) its likely Canadians will be going to the polls again. Trudeau was all shiny and new in 2015 when the Grits won a majority, four years later and the shine has been replaced by a lot of tarnish, another couple of years and I think we'll have a new government and JT can go back to looking for another teaching gig....if anyone will hire him.....not that it matters, with his inheritance and pension he can more than afford to retire.

 

[kaylagrl]

With all these details about Canada and its recent history I am starting to think we're going to need another wall.

Apparently you don't know how long the border between the US and Canada is...

 

[A-Fool-For-God]

Apparently you don't know how long the border between the US and Canada is...

About 4,000 miles long not counting Alaska. About 5,500 miles long including Alaska. As Alaska is basically barren wasteland we could simply build the wall along the border of the contiguous 48 states and if they are foolish enough to send invaders into Alaska they can merely freeze to death and be eaten by bears. By comparison the US-Mexico border is almost 2,000 miles long. At comparative costs to the US-Mexico Wall (12 billion according to Trump and 21.6 billion according to the Department of Homeland Security), a US-Canada wall would cost about 24 to 43 billion dollars. A very small price comparatively for a major national security asset.

 

[kaylagrl]

About 4,000 miles long not counting Alaska. About 5,500 miles long including Alaska. As Alaska is basically barren wasteland we could simply build the wall along the border of the contiguous 48 states and if they are foolish enough to send invaders into Alaska they can merely freeze to death and be eaten by bears. By comparison the US-Mexico border is almost 2,000 miles long. At comparative costs to the US-Mexico Wall (12 billion according to Trump and 21.6 billion according to the Department of Homeland Security), a US-Canada wall would cost about 24 to 43 billion dollars. A very small price comparatively for a major national security asset.

They can't agree to get money for 2000 mi. No one would put up that kind of money for a wall that long. Besides, Canada are peace keepers around the world, no worry about needing a wall.

 

[A-Fool-For-God]

They can't agree to get money for 2000 mi. No one would put up that kind of money for a wall that long. Besides, Canada are peace keepers around the world, no worry about needing a wall.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Canada just re-elected the biggest sell-out in world politics whom let in tons of invaders to his country. Canada's reckless and suicidal policies are a massive liability to the United States of America.

As for the cost, when you compare the cost to say social security and medicare/aid it's not but paltry pennies. If you compare to spending the US does on "foreign aid" to a bunch of ingrates whom hate us, which was 49 billion dollars in 2016 according to the CFR, you would see a Wall on the US-Canadian Border is very affordable, and we would actually get a benefit in return.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Canada just re-elected the biggest sell-out in world politics whom let in tons of invaders to his country. Canada's reckless and suicidal policies are a massive liability to the United States of America.

As for the cost, when you compare the cost to say social security and medicare/aid it's not but paltry pennies. If you compare to spending the US does on "foreign aid" to a bunch of ingrates whom hate us, which was 49 billion dollars in 2016 according to the CFR, you would see a Wall on the US-Canadian Border is very affordable, and we would actually get a benefit in return.

is there something wrong with you?

the US has way over 20 million illegals that have already crossed the southern border

like you don't know that

ever hear of sanctuary cities?

how about letting criminals out of jail so ICE cannot pick them up?

obviously you are here to make friends, but no need to try so hard

have fun trolling until everyone hits the report button

 

[A-Fool-For-God]

is there something wrong with you?

the US has way over 20 million illegals that have already crossed the southern border

like you don't know that

ever hear of sanctuary cities?

how about letting criminals out of jail so ICE cannot pick them up?

obviously you are here to make friends, but no need to try so hard

have fun trolling until everyone hits the report button

This is just all more reason to build more wall. Indeed we all ready have millions of invaders in our country, our country is pretty much under foreign occupation on the coasts, I have seen it with my own eyes, it's truly a very sad sight to behold. We really do not need more foreign invaders in my country. This is a very existential problem for my generation, everything is being robbed from us.

I noticed one old man on here mentioned maybe we gonna have a civil war. That man took a lot of flack, but that elder was smart I perceived and has genuine care for my generation, may God bless him. We don't want the civil war, cause I mean frankly we're young and we're the ones that will die in it, but I mean it's going to come down to it much sooner rather than later if this satanic society and all its madness continues as they are. The wall is not just a physical deterrent, but it and other smart policies are a sort of spiritual deterrent to the civil war. The next four years are going to determine this, we need to implement big bold ideas now if we are going to continue in peace and stability.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

This is just all more reason to build more wall. Indeed we all ready have millions of invaders in our country, our country is pretty much under foreign occupation on the coasts, I have seen it with my own eyes, it's truly a very sad sight to behold. We really do not need more foreign invaders in my country. This is a very existential problem for my generation, everything is being robbed from us.

I noticed one old man on here mentioned maybe we gonna have a civil war. That man took a lot of flack, but that elder was smart I perceived and has genuine care for my generation, may God bless him. We don't want the civil war, cause I mean frankly we're young and we're the ones that will die in it, but I mean it's going to come down to it much sooner rather than later if this satanic society and all its madness continues as they are. The wall is not just a physical deterrent, but it and other smart policies are a sort of spiritual deterrent to the civil war. The next four years are going to determine this, we need to implement big bold ideas now if we are going to continue in peace and stability.