Trudeau Wins Minority Gov't

[calibob]

Good clean christian fun for the whole family. People came in droves. Churches rented busses to bring people in. What's the worse that could happen? read the book of revelations. I haven't seen those movies since about 1983 of course they were low budget with cheesy special effects and actors nobody's ever heard of. Of course with an evangelist preaching as they re-wound or the changed reels.

 

[Angela53510]

You can always move south hahah

I could never move south. My health care needs are way above anything US insurance would cover. However, I have out of country insurance, and we vacation in the southern USA most winters. And love it!

 

[Angela53510]

I mean that Trump is doing a lot of stupid things, but he’s predictable in his unpredictable way and is a rational person at the end of the day.

Now Pence...lets just say I think an impeachment of Trump is a very bad idea because that could possibly make Pence president.

Not understanding why you are abducting my thread about Canada. There are usually many threads about American politics, go post in them.

It's unlikely Canada would ever have a civil war. The west wants to separate. It's called #Wexit. But it would all be done legally and no military involvement.

#Wexit.com is growing fast. In 2 days, it has picked up 200,000 paying members, just in Alberta. Trudeau is promising stupid things, like putting Mayor Nenshi, of Calgary and putting him in his cabinet. Nenshi is hated almost as much as Trudeau, with equally as few brains.

 

[Angela53510]

Well, he is head of a minority government. I'm no expert on the Canadian Parliament, but it looks like he doesn't have as much power as he used to.

It would seem that way. Except 2 other parties, the NDP and the Greens have almost 30 seats, and are more liberal (leftist) than the Liberal party. They call it "progressive." If they support the Liberals, they will have more seats than the Conservatives and the Bloc, which is a Quebec separatist party, but leans conservative.

Now you get a glimpse of how complex a parliamentary democracy is. Never mind that we don't vote directly for our Prime Minister, the head of the party with the most seats gets to be the Prime Minister.

 

[calibob]

It would seem that way. Except 2 other parties, the NDP and the Greens have almost 30 seats, and are more liberal (leftist) than the Liberal party. They call it "progressive." If they support the Liberals, they will have more seats than the Conservatives and the Bloc, which is a Quebec separatist party, but leans conservative.

Now you get a glimpse of how complex a parliamentary democracy is. Never mind that we don't vote directly for our Prime Minister, the head of the party with the most seats gets to be the Prime Minister.

(Sounds like the electoral college in a way.)

The laughing face was because Teddy Roosevelt identified as a Progressive and ran as a 3rd party (Bull Moose Party) candidate in 1912 He mainly opposed Crony Capitalism, Old Boy politics and Monopolies especially the railroad, coal and petroleum monopolies. He started the National Park System and the FBI. He also believed in the conservation of natural resources. Walk softly and carry a big stick was his foreign policy motto. Vladimir Lenin hadn't rose to power yet. TR was not a Marxist or a Commie. He was a Dutch Reformed and Evangelical Lutheran.

I'm sorry if New Age Socialists are masquerading to be like him, or call themselves Progressive's, they are not! Don't forget the he was the leader of the Rough Riders and fought against the Spanish occupation of Cuba, on horseback and was also against it in the Philippines by the Spanish. Our US History books ended in Tokyo Harbor 1945 But my parents lived through the Great depression and WW2. I can remember Castro & Kennedy. My uncle Woodie had a bomb shelter! My political opinions don't come from the 21st century I'm sorry so many misunderstand.

Crony Capitalisms are as real a threat now as they were 100 years ago. I'd really to see our citizens take the reigns before history repeats itself. Have we gotten like ancient Israel and expect some human leader to make it all better? Don't you all remember King Saul? Maybe if we all read the Bible more and listened to less talk radio and talking heads on TV, we could take control the legitimate way. But neither side wants that!

 

[PennEd]

Not understanding why you are abducting my thread about Canada. There are usually many threads about American politics, go post in them.

It's unlikely Canada would ever have a civil war. The west wants to separate. It's called #Wexit. But it would all be done legally and no military involvement.

#Wexit.com is growing fast. In 2 days, it has picked up 200,000 paying members, just in Alberta. Trudeau is promising stupid things, like putting Mayor Nenshi, of Calgary and putting him in his cabinet. Nenshi is hated almost as much as Trudeau, with equally as few brains.

Is there a process for secession in Canada? Trying to think of an example where violence wasn't necessary for a nation to break away from another nation.

 

[Susanna]

Is there a process for secession in Canada? Trying to think of an example where violence wasn't necessary for a nation to break away from another nation.

When I grew up it was a lot of stories about the war between states. Since I’m from Texas most people were pro confederate. Many of the stories were soaked in blood and suffering.

One of my grandmothers was Swedish. She told me that Sweden’s neighboring country seceded from Sweden without any violence. There was a massive buildup of troops on both sides of the border, but eventually not a single shot was heard.

So it’s possible.

 

[PennEd]

When I grew up it was a lot of stories about the war between states. Since I’m from Texas most people were pro confederate. Many of the stories were soaked in blood and suffering.

One of my grandmothers was Swedish. She told me that Sweden’s neighboring country seceded from Sweden without any violence. There was a massive buildup of troops on both sides of the border, but eventually not a single shot was heard.

So it’s possible.

Although it's true that Finland and Sweden didn't fight a civil war, Finland's freedom from Sweden who had CONQUERED Finland many centuries earlier, came about BECAUSE OF WAR between Russia and Sweden.

Sweden did NOT just kindly say 'ok Finland, you can be your own country". This came about AS A RESULT of war between them, and the Russians, who also wanted to conquer and absorb Finland.

So please try again. I can't think of any secession from a land mass that resulted in a new, self governing nation, without violence.

 

[A-Fool-For-God]

Lol trust Canada to kowtow out to the greatest kowtower in world politics. Peoplekind all across Canada can breathes a sigh of relief though as the avowed male feminist Trudeau is checked in the Parliament and ultimately but a puppet of Her Majesty the Queen Elizabeth II whom must kowtow to her splendid Majesty. Day-O Canada!

...….But across the epic landscape of the New World, in the Imperial Capitol of the United States of America people take note and fear a Blue Wave brewing to come crashing against the dauntless President Donald Trump and his valiant legions of American Heroes.

 

[calibob]

Defying human authority is curse so is the law. Blessed are those who were cursed by the law for defending Yahweh & Jesus and defying Caesar, Napoleon, the Kings of England. The Communists, the Nazis and the Fascists.
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[calibob]

Blessed Martin Luther be also for defying the Vatican and the Popes. Pope Alexander VI aka. Rodrigo de Borja.

 

[Susanna]

Although it's true that Finland and Sweden didn't fight a civil war, Finland's freedom from Sweden who had CONQUERED Finland many centuries earlier, came about BECAUSE OF WAR between Russia and Sweden.

Sweden did NOT just kindly say 'ok Finland, you can be your own country". This came about AS A RESULT of war between them, and the Russians, who also wanted to conquer and absorb Finland.

So please try again. I can't think of any secession from a land mass that resulted in a new, self governing nation, without violence.

Who’s talking about Finland?

I’m talking about Norway seceding from Sweden in 1905.

 

[Desdichado]

So while the Liberal party no longer holds an outright majority of seats, there are enough Leftist office holders to make a government. Hence "minority government?"

I appreciate your patience with this Yank

It would seem that way. Except 2 other parties, the NDP and the Greens have almost 30 seats, and are more liberal (leftist) than the Liberal party. They call it "progressive." If they support the Liberals, they will have more seats than the Conservatives and the Bloc, which is a Quebec separatist party, but leans conservative.

Now you get a glimpse of how complex a parliamentary democracy is. Never mind that we don't vote directly for our Prime Minister, the head of the party with the most seats gets to be the Prime Minister.

 

[PennEd]

Who’s talking about Finland?

I’m talking about Norway seceding from Sweden in 1905.

We are not talking about a sovereign nation invaded by a foreign nation, and then getting it's sovereignty back without bloodshed. Although EVEN in this case the Norwegians, by your own admission had arms, and were READY for armed conflict.

Many times in history separate events (like the cold war) enabled countries to break free of other countries that had invaded them. All of the European eastern Bloc nations would be good example of this.

What we are talking about, is a PART of a sovereign nation, seceding from the whole of a nation. This HAS happened in history. But I can't think of a single example where violence wasn't part of the equation.

And to reiterate, EVEN in your example, the formidable threat of violence was necessary.

 

[Susanna]

We are not talking about a sovereign nation invaded by a foreign nation, and then getting it's sovereignty back without bloodshed. Although EVEN in this case the Norwegians, by your own admission had arms, and were READY for armed conflict.

Many times in history separate events (like the cold war) enabled countries to break free of other countries that had invaded them. All of the European eastern Bloc nations would be good example of this.

What we are talking about, is a PART of a sovereign nation, seceding from the whole of a nation. This HAS happened in history. But I can't think of a single example where violence wasn't part of the equation.

And to reiterate, EVEN in your example, the formidable threat of violence was necessary.

I was just trying to be helpful.

This is what you said, and my response was to what you initially asked.

“Is there a process for secession in Canada? Trying to think of an example where violence wasn't necessary for a nation to break away from another nation”.

There’s a substantial difference between potential violence and violence. A peaceful solution is usually dependent on a possibility of violence.

Sweden did not invade Norway. The country, then a part of Denmark, was given to Sweden as a result of the Napoleonic wars.

I have given you an example of what you was asking for. If you don’t want to acknowledge it, well, so be it.

.

 

[UnderGrace]

Is there a process for secession in Canada? Trying to think of an example where violence wasn't necessary for a nation to break away from another nation.

It would be done by referendum first by those wanting to exit.
And then a legal process I am sure.

 

[PennEd]

I was just trying to be helpful.

This is what you said, and my response was to what you initially asked.

“Is there a process for secession in Canada? Trying to think of an example where violence wasn't necessary for a nation to break away from another nation”.

There’s a substantial difference between potential violence and violence. A peaceful solution is usually dependent on a possibility of violence.

Sweden did not invade Norway. The country, then a part of Denmark, was given to Sweden as a result of the Napoleonic wars.

I have given you an example of what you was asking for. If you don’t want to acknowledge it, well, so be it.

.

Thank you for your attempt. But as explained in my last post the example you provided was not at all what I asked
Which is a part of a whole distinct nation where part of it broke off to become another nation. Without violence. Not an occupied nation regaining its freedom.

There has never been a sovereign country “West Canada “ and I’m betting there will never be one without force.

 

[Susanna]

Thank you for your attempt. But as explained in my last post the example you provided was not at all what I asked
Which is a part of a whole distinct nation where part of it broke off to become another nation. Without violence. Not an occupied nation regaining its freedom.

There has never been a sovereign country “West Canada “ and I’m betting there will never be one without force.

You’re moving the goalposts.

Norway didn’t regain its freedom. It wasn’t really a country under Denmark, but more like a state, like Texas. You have to keep in mind that Norway had been a part of Denmark for more than 400 years. And it wasn’t really a country before that, but a loosely gathered party of districts oftentimes at war with each other, pretty much like the Democratic Party.

 

[UnderGrace]

Thank you for your attempt. But as explained in my last post the example you provided was not at all what I asked
Which is a part of a whole distinct nation where part of it broke off to become another nation. Without violence. Not an occupied nation regaining its freedom.

There has never been a sovereign country “West Canada “ and I’m betting there will never be one without force.

Actually I highly doubt there would be any force.

I am pretty sure if Quebec had been able to unilaterally declare sovereignty in 1995 there would have been no civil war, I think many people in Canada would have been fine to let them go except for the politicians of course... although it is a somewhat wonky province it truly is "La Belle Province"

 

[Angela53510]

Is there a process for secession in Canada? Trying to think of an example where violence wasn't necessary for a nation to break away from another nation.

Because of Quebec, the ability to leave is written into our constitution, which was signed and completed in 1982 by Pierre Trudeau. It covers any province wanting to leave Canada. There would be a lot of finagling, because of Canada's debt, but no need for a civil war.

We are Canadians! We don't do things that way! The amount of "sorries" would be overwhelming, though! Lol