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fredoheaven

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I'm not playing around; I am persevering.
I see your sincerity to never give up, even though in difficulties. The problem with our problem of sin is no solution until Christ did on the cross of Calvary. Christ did! 'Tis already done to this great transaction. Christ said, "it is finished", complete. Are you still going to persevere? Perhaps, you just misunderstood what your text says by not reading the whole context. I urge you to that for God's glory!

Amen.
 

Lightskin

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I posted what the scripture plainly states; It is you who thinks the Bible verses I posted teach a works salvation.
The scriptures you shared talk about works, but not for salvation but rather because it is part of loving God and loving others.
 

blue_ladybug

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Matthew 24:13
But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.

John 3:16:

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, so that ALL WHO BELIEVE on Him shall not perish but have EVERLASTING LIFE.
 
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I see your sincerity to never give up, even though in difficulties. The problem with our problem of sin is no solution until Christ did on the cross of Calvary. Christ did! 'Tis already done to this great transaction. Christ said, "it is finished", complete. Are you still going to persevere? Perhaps, you just misunderstood what your text says by not reading the whole context. I urge you to that for God's glory!

Amen.
God is getting the glory when I persevere in the grace He has given me; especially unto the end. (y)
 
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John 3:16:

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, so that ALL WHO BELIEVE on Him shall not perish but have EVERLASTING LIFE.
If a person believes Jesus 100%. they will persevere until the end .
 

posthuman

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The end of our mortal fleshy bodies as opposed to the new eternal glorified bodies those of us get if we persevere until the end.
consider yourselves dead
(Romans 6:11)

Then He touched their eyes, saying,
According to your faith let it be to you.
And their eyes were opened!

(Matthew 9:29-30)
 

Lightskin

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Yes, I know you do. I apologize that in my haste to post (pressed for time today), I did not make my intentions abundantly clear. :)



"12 We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us." 1 Corinthians 2... TRUE. (y)
It’s all good, beloved. I rejoice knowing you fully understand and embrace the grace of God.
 

blue_ladybug

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If a person believes Jesus 100%. they will persevere until the end .
Pushing through to the end is the only thing we can do, cuz we can't give up, lay down and refuse to go on living and commit suicide. HOWEVER, when you believe on Jesus and accept His grace, THAT is when you are saved. Otherwise Jesus would be a liar.
 

posthuman

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God is getting the glory when I persevere in the grace He has given me; especially unto the end. (y)
if i'm the one mighty or clever enough to achieve it, then i'm the one getting the glory.
if i have nothing i did not receive from Him, He is the one being glorified.


The horse is prepared for the day of battle,
but deliverance is of the LORD
(Proverbs 21:31)

He does not delight in the strength of the horse;
He takes no pleasure in the legs of a man.

(Psalm 147:10)
 
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Salvation is a one off event based upon faith, the inheritance is subject to gains and losses based upon faithful service ir a lack thereof.....2 different sides of a coin!!

IF A SON (BY FAITH) THEN AND ONLY THEN JOINT HEIRS WITH CHRIST and JESUS DETERMINES your inheritance at the bema seat......SOME will be NAKED AND SHAMED WITH NO inheritance but A SON NONETHELESS
I agree; for those of us who persevere until the end.
 
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Pushing through to the end is the only thing we can do, cuz we can't give up, lay down and refuse to go on living and commit suicide. HOWEVER, when you believe on Jesus and accept His grace, THAT is when you are saved. Otherwise Jesus would be a liar.
If you truly believe Jesus until the end, you will persevere. If you don't persevere until the end, you never believed Jesus 100% and you were never saved to begin with.
 

VCO

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As long as I continue to persevere, I am not afraid.

YOU HAVE NOT EVEN BEGUN TO PERSEVERE THIS COMMAND:


1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king. [And if you are an American, that is PRESIDENT Donald Trump.]


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YOU ARE SINNING AT 1 MPH PAST THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT.


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YOU ARE SINNING IF YOU LITTER, EVEN A CIGARETTE BUTT.


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YOU ARE SINNING, IF YOU PARK ILLEGALLY.

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YOU ARE SINNING, IF YOU FAIL TO LEASH YOUR DOG OR FAIL TO PICK UP DOG POOP.


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YOU ARE SINNING, IF YOU TEXT WHILE CROSSING THIS CROSSWALK.


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YOU ARE SINNING, IF YOU JAYWALK HERE.


Shall I go on ? ? ? There are LOTS City, County, and State ORDINANCES, YOU IGNORE ON A REGULAR BASES.

AND EVERY ONE OF THEM IS A SIN.
 

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YOU HAVE NOT EVEN BEGUN TO PERSEVERE THIS COMMAND:


1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king. [And if you are an American, that is PRESIDENT Donald Trump.]


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YOU ARE SINNING AT 1 MPH PAST THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT.


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YOU ARE SINNING IF YOU LITTER, EVEN A CIGARETTE BUTT.


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YOU ARE SINNING, IF YOU PARK ILLEGALLY.

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YOU ARE SINNING, IF YOU FAIL TO LEASH YOUR DOG OR FAIL TO PICK UP DOG POOP.


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YOU ARE SINNING, IF YOU TEXT WHILE CROSSING THIS CROSSWALK.


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YOU ARE SINNING, IF YOU JAYWALK HERE.


Shall I go on ? ? ? There are LOTS City, County, and State ORDINANCES, YOU IGNORE ON A REGULAR BASES.

AND EVERY ONE OF THEM IS A SIN.
We persevere in the New Testament, we are not under the Old Testament law; I don't know why you think you are. :(