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UnderGrace said:
Truth is very hard to see if you follow false doctrine.
You really need to re-examine your basic beliefs, they are far outside of the scripture.
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Hardly. Truth is very simple if you don't try to twist anything to suit your doctrine.

No one is saved bodily 'in the end' and i believe you know very well that this doesn't sound right at all. Does it need to be pointed out to you?
 
Noose said:
You don't have to look at everything with an OSAS lenses. Paul doesn't contradict and this chapter doesn't teach works salvation but abiding in Christ. We do not work to attain justification but everyone starts from the point of justification. Only those that abide in Christ till the end will be victorious and this is what it means persevering to the end.
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Where did you come to embrace your theological views? Was it at worship services, seminary, self “taught”? There comes a point when you need to start listening to people who explain to you time and again that you take most everything out of context.
 
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Melach said:
there is:

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

rapture is translation of living believers at time of Jesus' coming to glorified bodies. you dont like the word rapture ok lets use caught up or transformed whatever. i just cal it rapture because thats how people call it
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Paul says "we which are alive and remain" not "those who will be alive and remain"

Can't you see that Paul is counting himself amongst those that are alive and remain when the Lord returns. Otherwise he was supposed to say, "we who will be dead in Christ shall rise first and be caught with those who will be alive and remain.."
 
Lightskin said:
Where did you come to embrace your theological views? Was it at worship services, seminary, self “taught”? There comes a point when you need to start listening to people who explain to you time and again that you take most everything out of context.
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I'm self taught but what do you mean?
 
UnderGrace said:
Wrong

You cannot earn salvation by any act, simple as that.
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We can't earn Grace or a covering for our son. But to receive it, it must be as the NT writers, and Jesus told us to, by Faith. To be exact the word they used 248 times is pisteuo, " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender."

It's not rocket science UG! It's not earning salvation, it's how Christ mandated we receive it.

But I'm open for you to show me where I'm getting it wrong. As I told you before, I put my understandings on the table to be tested by anyone. If some rejects what I've Put on the table, that's okay. But you have to replace it with a better understanding! And if you do,it will mean I will know Him better, and there's nothing more precious than that.
 
Noose said:
I'm self taught but what do you mean?
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God gave some to be pastors teachers, Evangelists, and so on " for the perfecting of the saints!!" To unify to body of Christ.

What that means, is we as called out ones are ether one of those gifted teachers, who's only purpose is to perfect Saints. Or we are one of the saints being perfected. This self taught,"the Holy Spirit teaches me privately "is about as unbiblical as you can get!

And this is what you get when self teaching rules the day, instead of the word of God.
 
Lightskin said:
So is it arrogance, fear, trepidation, pride or something much deeper that prohibits you from LISTENING to EVERYONE who points out your misinterpretations of Scripture? For crying out loud, isn’t your curiosity peaked even once in a while to what is actually Truth?
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I used to listen to everyone's misinterpretation of scriptures, not anymore. And i think i'm fine now than before.
 
Pisteuo said:
God gave some to be pastors teachers, Evangelists, and so on " for the perfecting of the saints!!" To unify to body of Christ.

What that means, is we as called out ones are ether one of those gifted teachers, who's only purpose is to perfect Saints. Or we are one of the saints being perfected. This self taught,"the Holy Spirit teaches me privately "is about as unbiblical as you can get!

And this is what you get when self teaching rules the day, instead of the word of God.
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John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
 
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Pisteuo said:
God gave some to be pastors teachers, Evangelists, and so on " for the perfecting of the saints!!" To unify to body of Christ.

What that means, is we as called out ones are ether one of those gifted teachers, who's only purpose is to perfect Saints. Or we are one of the saints being perfected. This self taught,"the Holy Spirit teaches me privately "is about as unbiblical as you can get!

And this is what you get when self teaching rules the day, instead of the word of God.
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Open your eyes. Why is there divisions rather than unity now more than ever?
 
Pisteuo said:
God gave some to be pastors teachers, Evangelists, and so on " for the perfecting of the saints!!" To unify to body of Christ.

What that means, is we as called out ones are ether one of those gifted teachers, who's only purpose is to perfect Saints. Or we are one of the saints being perfected. This self taught,"the Holy Spirit teaches me privately "is about as unbiblical as you can get!

And this is what you get when self teaching rules the day, instead of the word of God.
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The same rules apply when you only listen to one wing-nut guru while refusing to listen to everyone else with biblical support of their views.
 
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Lightskin said:
The same rules apply when you only listen to one wing-nut guru while refusing to listen to everyone else with biblical support of their views.
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Groupies?! good luck.

Why don't you just read the bible without any doctrinal lead and see what it is that you'll see.
 
Noose said:
I used to listen to everyone's misinterpretation of scriptures, not anymore. And i think i'm fine now than before.
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The problem is, you’re not fine. As a matter of fact you’re actually really “expletive” far from being fine. And you’re spreading your spiritual filth amongst others who are susceptible to receiving it incorrectly.

For the record, I typed in “expletive”. It was not a computer auto fix.
 
Noose said:
Groupies?! good luck.

Why don't you just read the bible without any doctrinal lead and see what it is that you'll see.
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I see that you are lost in your views. And you just answered my previous question. You’re arrogant and therefore I shake the dust off my feet regarding you because I have offered you help and you refused. I will not weep at your arrogant destruction.
 
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Lightskin said:
The problem is, you’re not fine. As a matter of fact you’re actually really “expletive” far from being fine. And you’re spreading your spiritual filth amongst others who are susceptible to receiving it incorrectly.
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I promise, i'm fine just fearing about you and others.
I don't teach because i don't believe we have teachers today. I argue.
 
Noose said:
I promise, i'm fine just fearing about you and others.
I don't teach because i don't believe we have teachers today. I argue.
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2 Timothy 2:23-24 English Standard Version (ESV)
23 Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. 24 And the Lord's servant[a] must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,
 
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Rosemaryx said:
2 Timothy 2:23-24 English Standard Version (ESV)
23 Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. 24 And the Lord's servant[a] must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,
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Proverbs 18:1-2 English Standard Version (ESV)
18 Whoever isolates himself seeks his own desire;
he breaks out against all sound judgment.
2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding,
but only in expressing his opinion.
 
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