Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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He whobreaks one of the laws has broken all of the law.
Then you are dead in trespasses and sin as indeed we all are.

Without grace no man will live, grace and mercy.
Correct. Look to Jesus, there is no other way. He is the way, the truth and the life.

You did not understand what I posted,. All the laws that remain which go together to build up the two great laws of Love are obeyed by us. We, the body members of Jesus, are yet fulfilling those lawas and always will. Thus Jesus is yet fulfilling those laws which remain. Love will always exist. If not there is no salvation. For God so loved the world He gave His only Begotten Son. He is our Salvation, not any one law, howeve we are to obey our Father in every manner possible, out of respect and love and gratitude...….
Jesus is the only way. No two paths go the same way and following a different path leads to destruction by taking our thoughts and mind off Him and onto earthly things. The law is the path to destruction, HE is all we need.
 

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Before Jesus arrived in the flesh, i.e during the OT, they were saved by faith in what God revealed to them.

And what did God reveal to them during that time? "Keep the Law of Moses, circumcise your male kids, and offer an animal sacrifice every time you sin."

As long as they do that, God considers that as "putting their faith in him" and he will see them as righteous before him, as what the prophet Balaam found out in Numbers 23:18-21.
Parental mutilation of children and killing a healthy animal, then burning it to please god, is paganism.

Some people have the sense to ban female mutilation, lets hope baby boys are given the same protection soon.
 
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Parental mutilation of children and killing a healthy animal, then burning it to please god, is paganism.

Some people have the sense the ban female mutilation, lets hope baby boys are given the same protection soon.
Hmm, don't tell me you are not aware that in the OT, animals are sacrificed to cover sins?

God did that first himself for Adam's disobedience.

And you are unaware of what God commanded Abraham in Genesis 17 about circumcision?
 

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Hmm, don't tell me you are not aware that in the OT, animals are sacrificed to cover sins?

God did that first himself for Adam's disobedience.
Animal sacrifice does nothing. It is simply a pagan custom. They worshipped pagan gods. Explain what you mean about Adam.
 

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Then you are dead in trespasses and sin as indeed we all are.

Correct. Look to Jesus, there is no other way. He is the way, the truth and the life.


Jesus is the only way. No two paths go the same way and following a different path leads to destruction by taking our thoughts and mind off Him and onto earthly things. The law is the path to destruction, HE is all we need.
Mat_5:17 (KJV) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

The words of Jesus, Yeshua. Do not judge anyone to condemnation during this age for this honor is not conferred to you . Be berciful to all, try to understand others, and know that Jesus Christ does not lie. Read His words above. Fulfill does not mean destroy, and He declares He is not come to destroy the law, rather to fulfill the law. Big diffference.
 
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Expose Judaism and all its errors. Go on and do it. Male mutilation as well.
Genesis 17 is about circumcision.

Genesis 3:21 and Genesis 4:4 is about animal sacrifice for sins.

You are the first Christian I have seen here with so little respect for the OT.
 

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Mat_5:17 (KJV) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

The words of Jesus, Yeshua. Do not judge anyone to condemnation during this age for this honor is not conferred to you . Be berciful to all, try to understand others, and know that Jesus Christ does not lie. Read His words above. Fulfill does not mean destroy, and He declares He is not come to destroy the law, rather to fulfill the law. Big diffference.
The law (the Old Testament) was not destroyed by Jesus, it was fulfilled.
 

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Genesis 17 is about circumcision.

Genesis 3:21 and Genesis 4:4 is about animal sacrifice for sins.

You are the first Christian I have seen here with so little respect for the OT.
So why did God end it?
 
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So why did God end it?
Because the Jews rejected their Messiah for the final time in Acts 7, ushering the age of grace for everyone else to be saved, independent of the Law of Moses.
 

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The law (the Old Testament) was not destroyed by Jesus, it was fulfilled.
One must have an inkling of the content of a posst previous to jumping to conclusions.
 

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Because the Jews rejected their Messiah for the final time in Acts 7, ushering the age of grace for everyone else to be saved, independent of the Law of Moses.
The New Covenant was promised long before the Jews rejected their Messiah. This is an example of Jewish unbelief and still they cling to what God ended. You as well. Do you think God is pleased with you for continuing to teach what He ended?
 

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Because the Jews rejected their Messiah for the final time in Acts 7, ushering the age of grace for everyone else to be saved, independent of the Law of Moses.
You are teaching law over grace in defiance of God.
 

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How in the world can you conclude that from that sentence you are replying to?
You along with all Jews keep banging on about the law. Yet you say we live under grace. Now what is it, law or grace?
 

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We must consider how Jesus distinguishes between destroying the law and fulfilling the law. It, by His own words here, is not destroyed, however we are no longer condemned by it because we have obtained mercy.

Taking into consideration all of the writings on this subject, we now have the law written upon the tablets of our Hearst, in being new creaturas by the Holy Spirit.

With the law written upon our hearts we know it is merciful, and we know it is just. Even so, we are not Jesus, Yeshua, and we do, by the nature of being in the flesh, tend to counter a law now and then, but we do not live in sin.

Yes we are saved by mercy and grace from God, but we are instructed not to disobey God's commandments……..

If we obey the commandment of worship of our Maker, we will not ignore His wisdom when we learn from Him We weere once children of darkness but now we are come to the light. We were once children of disobedience but we are converted to obey our Lord.

We are warned not to teach against the least of the laws by Jesus, Yeshua, and in Revelation we are taught to obey God's commandments, not to mention the warnings in the letters of Joh..

Is hearing Jesus, Yeshua, and doing His teaching a burden...according to Him it is easy and gives us peace.
 
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You along with all Jews keep banging on about the law. Yet you say we live under grace. Now what is it, law or grace?
Your reading comprehension skills are really poor.

Now we are already about 2000 years from acts 7, and you are asking me this question
 

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We must consider how Jesus distinguishes between destroying the law and fulfilling the law. It, by His own words here, is not destroyed, however we are no longer condemned by it because we have obtained mercy.

Taking into consideration all of the writings on this subject, we now have the law written upon the tablets of our Hearst, in being new creaturas by the Holy Spirit.

With the law written upon our hearts we know it is merciful, and we know it is just. Even so, we are not Jesus, Yeshua, and we do, by the nature of being in the flesh, tend to counter a law now and then, but we do not live in sin.

Yes we are saved by mercy and grace from God, but we are instructed not to disobey God's commandments……..

If we obey the commandment of worship of our Maker, we will not ignore His wisdom when we learn from Him We weere once children of darkness but now we are come to the light. We were once children of disobedience but we are converted to obey our Lord.

We are warned not to teach against the least of the laws by Jesus, Yeshua, and in Revelation we are taught to obey God's commandments, not to mention the warnings in the letters of Joh..

Is hearing Jesus, Yeshua, and doing His teaching a burden...according to Him it is easy and gives us peace.
Forget the law of Moses.

You say, "Is hearing Jesus, Yeshua, and doing His teaching a burden...according to Him it is easy and gives us peace." Further, you talk about the commandments.

This is why it is easy. Christians follow the commandments of Jesus and not the law of Moses. Living under grace Jesus told the rich young ruler, "Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

No mention of the 613 Mitzvot Laws.
 

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Your reading comprehension skills are really poor.

Now we are already about 2000 years from acts 7, and you are asking me this question
Then I do not expect to hear you talk about the law, animal sacrifice or any other such thing.