Not By Works

[Noose]

Noose if man had to repay they would be spending 24hrs a day doing so.

Luke 19:
8But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord, half of my possessions I give to the poor, and if I have cheated anyone, I will repay it fourfold.”

9Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man too is a son of Abraham. 10For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

 

[mailmandan]

Incorrect. Horse before the cart.

The one who obeys, has believed, not the other way round.

Rom 2:13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous

James 1:22Be doers of the word, and not hearers only. Otherwise, you are deceiving yourselves.

False. More misinterpretation of scripture on your part. The one who believes has obeyed the gospel. (Romans 10:16) We don't obey afterwards in order to believe, but BECAUSE we believe. You have the tail wagging the dog, the cart before the horse. In regards to Romans 2:13, how about a little context. Paul was talking to the Jews (continue to read on in Romans 2:17-24) about their judging of the Gentiles and then points them to their own law (standard of judgment) and hypocrisy and tells them that the doers of the law will be justified before God (verse 13). That leaves them out, along with everyone else (Romans 3:22-28; Galatians 2:16).

The standard they wanted to measure up to was the law. Paul was telling them that the doers of the law will be justified. So, obey the law, *obey all of it, but if you don’t obey all of it, you failed!* He tells them that the Gentiles who didn't have the law according to the knowledge of the Jews were instinctively doing the things of the law (verse 14) and will be judged accordingly. How much more so the Jews? Paul was showing the self-righteous Jews who judged the Gentiles that they were not able to measure up to the perfect standard of the law. They were hypocrites.

*This is why Paul tells us in the very next chapter in Romans 3:28 that we are justified by faith apart from the works of the law. *No one was able to perfectly obey the law (except for Jesus Christ). *If you fail even once (stumble in one point), then you become guilty of all.

James 2:10, "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all." Galatians 3:10, For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them." The Jews could only be justified before God by keeping the Law, but he or she has to be 100% perfect. *A person can’t fail even once, not ever. *But all have failed (Romans 3:23; 6:23), that is why man is justified before God by faith and not by the works of the law (Romans 3:24-28, 4:2-6; 5:1).

 

[Noose]

O.T. conflation station......no concept of grace, blood covering, mercy, out bounding grace.....must suck to be bound under some self maintained false man made dogma

There's no OT righteousness or wickedness and NT righteousness or wickedness, all are the same

Rom 2:12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.

So you heard about grace, then what?

 

[Hevosmies]

Does that cancel this:

Rom 2:7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

And, believing is not about thoughts anyway but action. The one who loves/obeys has believed and not the other way round.

Yeah it does. KEEP READING.

 

[Noose]

ROOKIE MISTAKE! KEEP READING. Paul is making a case against all humanity in Romans chapters 1 and 2, he then concludes his argument in Romans 3:

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

What is the ULTIMATE conclusion, THEREFORE WE CONCLUDE:

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Thanks but your conclusion has nothing to do with:

Rom 2:5But because of your hard and unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. 6God “will repay each one according to his deeds.” 7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life.

 

[Hevosmies]

Thanks but your conclusion has nothing to do with:

Rom 2:5But because of your hard and unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. 6God “will repay each one according to his deeds.” 7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life.

Man. I dont know what it is, but something is just preventing you from seeing it. You are STUCK

 

[Noose]

False. More misinterpretation of scripture on your part. The one who believes has obeyed the gospel. (Romans 10:16) We don't obey afterwards in order to believe, but BECAUSE we believe. You have the tail wagging the dog, the cart before the horse. In regards to Romans 2:13, how about a little context. Paul was talking to the Jews (continue to read on in Romans 2:17-24) about their judging of the Gentiles and then points them to their own law (standard of judgment) and hypocrisy and tells them that the doers of the law will be justified before God (verse 13). That leaves them out, along with everyone else (Romans 3:22-28; Galatians 2:16).

The standard they wanted to measure up to was the law. Paul was telling them that the doers of the law will be justified. So, obey the law, *obey all of it, but if you don’t obey all of it, you failed!* He tells them that the Gentiles who didn't have the law according to the knowledge of the Jews were instinctively doing the things of the law (verse 14) and will be judged accordingly. How much more so the Jews? Paul was showing the self-righteous Jews who judged the Gentiles that they were not able to measure up to the perfect standard of the law. They were hypocrites.

*This is why Paul tells us in the very next chapter in Romans 3:28 that we are justified by faith apart from the works of the law. *No one was able to perfectly obey the law (except for Jesus Christ). *If you fail even once (stumble in one point), then you become guilty of all.

James 2:10, "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all." Galatians 3:10, For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them." The Jews could only be justified before God by keeping the Law, but he or she has to be 100% perfect. *A person can’t fail even once, not ever. *But all have failed (Romans 3:23; 6:23), that is why man is justified before God by faith and not by the works of the law (Romans 3:24-28, 4:2-6; 5:1).

Receiving and then what? so many receive but don't make it

Luke 8:
13The seeds on rocky ground are those who hear the word and receive it with joy, but they have no root. They believe for a season, but in the time of testing, they fall away.

14The seeds that fell among the thorns are those who hear, but as they go on their way, they are choked by the worries, riches, and pleasures of this life, and their fruit does not mature.

15But the seeds on good soil are those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, cling to it, and by persevering produce a crop.

 

[Noose]

Man. I dont know what it is, but something is just preventing you from seeing it. You are STUCK

Stuck? where?
What exactly are you trying to say. Isn't eternal life a reward to those who persevere to the end?

6God “will repay each one according to his deeds.” 7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life.

 

[Noose]

Yeah it does. KEEP READING.

Matt 10:22.. but the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

 

[Ruby123]

Luke 19:
8But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord, half of my possessions I give to the poor, and if I have cheated anyone, I will repay it fourfold.”

9Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man too is a son of Abraham. 10For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

b

Noose that is because Zac acnowledged him as Lord not because of his good works.

 

[Noose]

b

Noose that is because Zac acnowledged him as Lord not because of his good works.

Mmhh, the rich young ruler acknowledged Jesus as Lord (Good master) but was not considered righteous for failure to sell what he had so that he can share it with the poor, remember? Zacchaeous shared what he had with the poor, so it is not about calling Jesus Lord Lord but doing.

 

[gb9]

Man. I dont know what it is, but something is just preventing you from seeing it. You are STUCK

here is what he is stuck in- he thinks one has to keep the Law of Moses and the Sabbath is the way to obey.

so, when he pushes obey, he means the Law, not the N.T. instructions of how Christ followers are to behave.

 

[Noose]

here is what he is stuck in- he thinks one has to keep the Law of Moses and the Sabbath is the way to obey.

so, when he pushes obey, he means the Law, not the N.T. instructions of how Christ followers are to behave.

2 John 1:6And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the very commandment you have heard from the beginning, that you must walk in love.

 

[Lightskin]

My context, same as the bible is; Jesus became the source of salvation to those who obey Him. That's all.

Obeying Jesus means having faith in Him.

 

[Lightskin]

We don't obey afterwards in order to believe, but BECAUSE we believe.

Why can’t some people understand this?!!!

 

[Noose]

Obeying Jesus means having faith in Him.

And i agree with you.

John 15:17This is My command to you: Love one another.

John 13:34
A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another.

2 John 1:5
And now I urge you, dear lady--not as a new commandment to you, but one we have had from the beginning--that we love one another.

 

[Ruby123]

Noose, you will just wear yourself out.
What religion are you?

 

[limmuwd]

"the Lord has given me...." I wrote your words in red because you really think you are all that and a bag of chips, and take yourself way too seriously. As if your thoughts on a passage carry much more weight than anybody elses.

I am truly sorry, but your hubris, false humility, and self importance makes me want to vomit.

I watched a few minutes of your vids, and was incredibly struck with just how bursting with pride you are. Every minute or so you take this deep breath and pause, as if the next words out of your mouth are going to be so important that the listener MUST pay special attention.

BLAH!!!! Stop stealing the Lord's Glory!!!

Hey, thanks for watching!!

Just planting seeds, friend. God will bring the increase in those He desires to "inherit Eternal salvation."

Many others will be the inheritance of the overcoming saints.
And some who deny the Lord and His messengers will perhaps wish they hadn't in that Day.

May each in this "Christian" Forum "have ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches" today.
Amen.

 

[Lightskin]

Isn't eternal life a reward to those who persevere to the end

There’s the problem! I finally understand noose’s problem, and it’s cataclysmic.

 

[Noose]

There’s the problem! I finally understand noose’s problem, and it’s cataclysmic.

Please explain.