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Then may your attitude and words show it. 
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Amen. Good verse. But it doesn't cancel out the plethora of passages I've shared!
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Truly, we must be willing slaves, as the Apostle Paul taught through His letters, and in particular Romans -
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service." - Rom 12
We must present our bodies as a sacrifice to God. "Denying ourselves" as Jesus said. We are always a "slave", either to sin or to righteousness; there is no in between.
"For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life." - Rom 6:20-22
And notice what the Apostle tells us... the result of us surrendering ourselves as willing "slaves to God", and if we "endure til the end" as Jesus said, is "eternal Life."
Amen to the unchanging Word of God.
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service." - Rom 12
We must present our bodies as a sacrifice to God. "Denying ourselves" as Jesus said. We are always a "slave", either to sin or to righteousness; there is no in between.
"For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life." - Rom 6:20-22
And notice what the Apostle tells us... the result of us surrendering ourselves as willing "slaves to God", and if we "endure til the end" as Jesus said, is "eternal Life."
Amen to the unchanging Word of God.
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au contraire my friend, I HAVE accepted His grace!
And the verses you quote, albeit often out of context, fit perfectly into what I teach in the churches I minister in as an elder, deacon and Bible Teacher.
What is sad is that the "doctrine" some have been stressing on here, and with very ungodly attitudes, cannot stand in the Light of the great bulk of Scripture and the Truth that the Lord has given me to share: to admonish and exhort His Elect.
I'm not here to play games, son. Games are for children. True discipleship is for the mature.
"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things." - 1Cor 13:11
And the verses you quote, albeit often out of context, fit perfectly into what I teach in the churches I minister in as an elder, deacon and Bible Teacher.
What is sad is that the "doctrine" some have been stressing on here, and with very ungodly attitudes, cannot stand in the Light of the great bulk of Scripture and the Truth that the Lord has given me to share: to admonish and exhort His Elect.
I'm not here to play games, son. Games are for children. True discipleship is for the mature.
"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things." - 1Cor 13:11
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When i say no eternal security, i mean it.
Rom 2:
5But because of your hard and unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. 6God “will repay each one according to his deeds.”a 7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow wickedness, there will be wrath and anger.
9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil, first for the Jew, then for the Greek; 10but glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, first for the Jew, then for the Greek. 11For God does not show favoritism.
12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.
It is not wise for one to declare themselves righteous and claim eternal security from misunderstood verses.
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5But because of your hard and unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. 6God “will repay each one according to his deeds.”a 7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow wickedness, there will be wrath and anger.
9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil, first for the Jew, then for the Greek; 10but glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, first for the Jew, then for the Greek. 11For God does not show favoritism.
12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.
It is not wise for one to declare themselves righteous and claim eternal security from misunderstood verses.
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Quick question, as I was going to start a topic pertaining to this.
Works salvation and work righteousness aren't the same things are they?
They seem quite different actually, although I have heard them conflated and lately it has been coming to my mind late at night.
Works salvation = working to maintain your salvation
Works righteousness = working on your own sanctification being led into all truth by the work of the Holy Spirit?
I haven't ever believed works salvation, but I have always understood that we are working as laborers storing up eternal treasure. If you aren't working you aren't earning. As well as that a relationship with the Lord is something you work at. Sanctification is a process. Certain elements you may do of your own volition, but others you have to be guided, and still others "corrected".
I would certainly say that we have nothing to do with salvation, other than receiving. Or that our own righteousness bears up on its own merits, but there is more to be said about our own personal walk and our shortcomings where we claim blanket forgiveness. How we quench the spirit and convictions about things because of "forgiveness". Repentance is more than asking for forgiveness. It certainly starts there but am the only one with a need for penance?
We see this with disciplining children as well as the concept can be seen in proverbs easily.
It's late and maybe it's the lukewarm vibe in the church all around me but I've certainly been guilty of spiritual laziness. Grace is certainly a thing...I'm not denying that, just that we have a part to play as well. We are NOT casual observers of the Lord's work but co-laborers.
Works salvation and work righteousness aren't the same things are they?
They seem quite different actually, although I have heard them conflated and lately it has been coming to my mind late at night.
Works salvation = working to maintain your salvation
Works righteousness = working on your own sanctification being led into all truth by the work of the Holy Spirit?
I haven't ever believed works salvation, but I have always understood that we are working as laborers storing up eternal treasure. If you aren't working you aren't earning. As well as that a relationship with the Lord is something you work at. Sanctification is a process. Certain elements you may do of your own volition, but others you have to be guided, and still others "corrected".
I would certainly say that we have nothing to do with salvation, other than receiving. Or that our own righteousness bears up on its own merits, but there is more to be said about our own personal walk and our shortcomings where we claim blanket forgiveness. How we quench the spirit and convictions about things because of "forgiveness". Repentance is more than asking for forgiveness. It certainly starts there but am the only one with a need for penance?
We see this with disciplining children as well as the concept can be seen in proverbs easily.
It's late and maybe it's the lukewarm vibe in the church all around me but I've certainly been guilty of spiritual laziness. Grace is certainly a thing...I'm not denying that, just that we have a part to play as well. We are NOT casual observers of the Lord's work but co-laborers.
Make the thread but before making the thread, ponder these:
Dan 12:2And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Matt 25: 31When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. ...
45 the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’ 46.And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Rom 2:6 God “will repay each one according to his deeds.” 7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life.
This means;
1. Eternal life is a reward that we HOPE for. Rewards are given at the end of a process
2. The beginning of the process is grace. Grace cover all men (world) because we have no part to play, only Jesus showed love by atoning for our sins
3. "Those that persevere to the end shall be saved".
Dan 12:2And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Matt 25: 31When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. ...
45 the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’ 46.And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Rom 2:6 God “will repay each one according to his deeds.” 7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life.
This means;
1. Eternal life is a reward that we HOPE for. Rewards are given at the end of a process
2. The beginning of the process is grace. Grace cover all men (world) because we have no part to play, only Jesus showed love by atoning for our sins
3. "Those that persevere to the end shall be saved".
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au contraire my friend, I HAVE accepted His grace!
And the verses you quote, albeit often out of context, fit perfectly into what I teach in the churches I minister in as an elder, deacon and Bible Teacher.
What is sad is that the "doctrine" some have been stressing on here, and with very ungodly attitudes, cannot stand in the Light of the great bulk of Scripture and the Truth that the Lord has given me to share: to admonish and exhort His Elect.
I'm not here to play games, son. Games are for children. True discipleship is for the mature.
"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things." - 1Cor 13:11
And the verses you quote, albeit often out of context, fit perfectly into what I teach in the churches I minister in as an elder, deacon and Bible Teacher.
What is sad is that the "doctrine" some have been stressing on here, and with very ungodly attitudes, cannot stand in the Light of the great bulk of Scripture and the Truth that the Lord has given me to share: to admonish and exhort His Elect.
I'm not here to play games, son. Games are for children. True discipleship is for the mature.
"When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things." - 1Cor 13:11
I am truly sorry, but your hubris, false humility, and self importance makes me want to vomit.
I watched a few minutes of your vids, and was incredibly struck with just how bursting with pride you are. Every minute or so you take this deep breath and pause, as if the next words out of your mouth are going to be so important that the listener MUST pay special attention.
BLAH!!!! Stop stealing the Lord's Glory!!!
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Meeeeeee , I have , yes I have...
I believe in God and His promises , I believe I am SAVED , not will be saved , for God has already spoken and said
By grace you have been SAVED \/...
I believe in God and His promises , I believe I am SAVED , not will be saved , for God has already spoken and said
By grace you have been SAVED \
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Heb 9:28so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him.
Heb 5: 9And having been made perfect, He became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.
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