Not By Works

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Lightskin said:
You’re pushing works salvation. That is in attempt to shut out the kingdom of heaven against others.
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the gospel (good news) is that nobody will make it to the kingdom.

i think thats what many times works salvation does in long run. it gets people first to an excited mindset where they look at bible say you cant do this that or that. then they try to do it and do it for some time but then they notice things are still wrong in this and that. this causes them to panic try even harder. if they still fail many will just leave it altogether and say who cares i will go full into the world i cant be saved anyway.
 
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Lightskin said:
You’re pushing works salvation. That is in attempt to shut out the kingdom of heaven against others.
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No, once again, Christ did all the work to provide the covering for the sins of the world. He did this as our kinsman Redeemer. That is Grace a completed, finished work that can't be added to or made better.

Now according to the NT,we receive that free gift, that unmerited favor " by Faith"! The word the NT writers used to communicate how we apply that Faith is pisteuo.

Pisteuo is defined as "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender".
The Strong's gives us the disclaimer that "pisteuo means NOT just to believe."

We receive the Grace of God by Greek pisteuo, it's used 248 times in the NT. The Greek never allowed work or effort to be separated from NT pisteuo. And because to receive the unmerited favor, the free gift of Grace takes a specific act, based upon a specific belief, sustained by a specific kind of confidence, doesn't means that is salvation by works. Salvation is 90% courage, 9% endurance, and 1% all that other stuff.

Christ told His faithers, those who are living a Continually surrendered life, to have courage, over and over again. So are you saying Christ is pushing works salvation???
 
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Pisteuo said:
No, once again, Christ did all the work to provide the covering for the sins of the world. He did this as our kinsman Redeemer. That is Grace a completed, finished work that can't be added to or made better.
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The above is spot on correct. Your problem is you’re trying to add to His work and grace when you just said above that it cannot be added to or made better.
 
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Von1 started a beautiful thread in the BDF. I encourage everyone to drop by and read it. It’s titled, Special To Me.
 
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Pisteuo

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Lightskin said:
The above is spot on correct. Your problem is you’re trying to add to His work and grace when you just said above that it cannot be added to or made better.
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Why do you think something can be added to the work of Christ? It's finished, complete!
 
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Pisteuo

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Lightskin said:
The above is spot on correct. Your problem is you’re trying to add to His work and grace when you just said above that it cannot be added to or made better.
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Maybe you can point out what specific works your referring to, rather than just crying, works, works!
 
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Lightskin said:
The above is spot on correct. Your problem is you’re trying to add to His work and grace when you just said above that it cannot be added to or made better.
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Are you saying that the Strong's and Vines are promoting a works based salvation????
 
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Lightskin said:
I don’t give one single hoo hoo about Strong’s and Vines. I’m led by the Holy Spirit.
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Really, then prove it. First, being led by and being sealed into us could be seen as two different things. Which is it?
 
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Lightskin said:
I don’t have to prove anything to you. Jesus knows full well who and what I am.
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Jesus tells us to test the Spirits. You claim you are led by the Spirit of Christ. Or are you claiming you are sealed with His Spirit?
 
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calibob said:
Where does it say that in the bible? Enquring minds want to know.
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God does the changing of the soul. He takes a soul which surrenders to Him completely and "overhauls" it. You can quote any scripture you like. The meaning will still be the same. The Pharisees found this out.
 
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